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 Nevelon wrote:


Cato Sicarious (the new one) is on the Datasheet, but Captain Sicarius (the old rules) is not there. They are both on the app at this time. Old one is probably going to ledgends.

Ah, okay. I did not realise he had double datasheets. This makes sense then.

Well, that doesn't look good for Calgar then. Say goodbye to the sword and board Vextrix guard.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Well, that doesn't look good for Calgar then. Say goodbye to the sword and board Vextrix guard.

The question is will they keep both versions of Calgar’s models in production?

With Sicarius, his new model represented a move forward in his timeline, from 2nd company captain to leading the Victrix guard.

With Calgar, it’s another model representing deployment/wargear choices. But no fundamental change in the characters standing.

But NMNR rules the day, so I suspect we’ll see the gravis Calgar dropped from production and moved off to legends.

Edit:
Just checked GW’s site, don’t see the old one. Oh well.

Old Calgar is indeed gone. At least it's a very inoffensive proxy.

As for the Victrix duo it leaves you with, you could just add them to the new Victrix for a nice round 5 man squad. I am sure no one would do anything so silly as to enforce fixed-unit-sizes-PL on 40k in the guise of """points""", right?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Old Calgar is indeed gone. At least it's a very inoffensive proxy.

As for the Victrix duo it leaves you with, you could just add them to the new Victrix for a nice round 5 man squad. I am sure no one would do anything so silly as to enforce fixed-unit-sizes-PL on 40k in the guise of """points""", right?

Hey could fill out BGV squads, or serve as lieutenants.

The fixed squad sizes are irritating, but sometimes it;s nice to have a spare body to fill a slot if you poach one to kitbash a captain or other project.

For sure. Ironically I could see myself doing that since I lost a feth ton of units in the transition to 10th, as I had a habit of doing exactly what you say with kitbashes, which left me with masses of units that are understrength in 10th edition's rule system.

Personally though I am just holding out and hoping that GW is going reverse course on it.

My Victrix guard were already converted, using Lieutenant bodies, Heavy intercessor arms/shoulder pads, Venerable Dreadnought head, GK terminator swords, and Custodes shields. I'll just convert another and make Bladeguard.

From Reddit:

Oh look, he got his kombi-shoota back...

I hope 11th heralds a return to pointed wargear, otherwise I fear that nice axe won't see much use.

(PK was still the more popular weapon back in the day, but at least the choppa was 25 points cheaper back then!)

Eh, just needs to have enough attack volume to be the correct answer for a horde clearer.

That would require a number of attacks I do not expect we will see.

I expect it will be treated the same way as, for example, heavy bolter secondary weapons on Guard tanks, or Sentinel multilasers. When was the last time you saw that, especially now that the lascannon is free?

Actually relatively few due to the low shot numbers being kind of unreliable. I'm also the wrong guy to ask since I don't know Guard that well

That said, I think part of the issue is just that a lot of weapon combos just aren't a thing you would take outside the purpose of that one weapon. Like one of the oddities of the Choppa and the Warboss is a unit probably doesn't need a Warboss with a Choppa in it. That said, if a Heavy Bolter on a tank isn't worth taking over a LasCannon, that's definitely a profile issue because there's a lot of value in having infantry clearing and armor piercing variants of vehicles in a vechicle heavy list. Often times there the problem is simply that there's a more specialized variant in the faction.

Looks like a great model! Unsure about the t-rex hands, is it just the angle?

Gretchin sidekick is perfection.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0noqba4q/breaking-news-ork-in-the-wild/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_6th_March_Ork_Warboss_&utm_content=&utm_term=

Confirmed: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0noqba4q/breaking-news-ork-in-the-wild/

Liking the model and they say there’s more to come on Monday. Much prefer the powerklaw, the choppy looks a little weedy.

Interesting that they’ve included an ammo grot, makes me wonder if those kind of subsidiary models are going to have a role again in 11th? Because at the moment they have no real function on the tabletop.

Yeah on a scale of 1-10 id give the Warboss a 7 and the Grot a 9.5

Looks like there are a ton of options to customize him, which is a good thing.

And that grot is the business. Better then the boss.

 Jadenim wrote:
Liking the model and they say there’s more to come on Monday. Much prefer the powerklaw, the choppy looks a little weedy.

Interesting that they’ve included an ammo grot, makes me wonder if those kind of subsidiary models are going to have a role again in 11th? Because at the moment they have no real function on the tabletop.

Some do in other factions as tokens for abilities.

Jscarlos18 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Liking the model and they say there’s more to come on Monday. Much prefer the powerklaw, the choppy looks a little weedy.

Interesting that they’ve included an ammo grot, makes me wonder if those kind of subsidiary models are going to have a role again in 11th? Because at the moment they have no real function on the tabletop.

Some do in other factions as tokens for abilities.

Eldar have aspect shrine tokens, Necrons have plasmacytes (sp?). SM devs have armorum cherubs. There are actually a lot scattered around.

Defintiely a great looking kit. I don't think I like it as much as the monopose, but I've already got that guy and don't like to duplicate my characters. Squig looks a little squished and the choppa is a little weak looking but the options are great.

Im I weird to think on getting this box for the Grot alone and tolerate his stumpy short arms big friend?

The grot reminds me a lot of one of the OG Necromunda hired guns

Looks like a fantastic kit, the grot is particularly great. Can't wait to see what else they have in store for us, seems like they nailed orks this time around.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The grot reminds me a lot of one of the OG Necromunda hired guns

He has the same pose as the Rebel Grot Head Honcho from GorkaMorka. Love that model!

 Ohman wrote:
Looks like a great model! Unsure about the t-rex hands, is it just the angle?

Gretchin sidekick is perfection.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/0noqba4q/breaking-news-ork-in-the-wild/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_6th_March_Ork_Warboss_&utm_content=&utm_term=

...Is it just me or does it look like the whole choppa arm has been stitched on from a smaller Ork?

It just seems disproportionate somehow.

Mentioned this in the Ork thread, but yeah Warboss is okay, not terrible, but also not that inspired in terms of the pose or how it looks. The big choppa definitely looks way too weedy compared to the power klaw and I like the call back to the OG Warboss with the attack squig design, but overall the rambo grot really steals the show. I'm guessing based on how the model looks it'll be on a 50mm base (annoying given how they keep upscaling the HQ bases...). I more warboss models than I know what to do with so I probably won't be picking this up but I'm glad we finally have a model that isn't just the AOBR/Grukk model for our Warboss kit.

Remembering Ghazghkull from the early 90s, I'd be more inclined to convert this guy than to use the models that followed in later editions.

I absolutely loved the Armageddon campaign back then when there was an air of Ghaz and Yarrick as the Napoleon and Wellington of 40K - at least from their models. If the two most iconic adversaries in 40K history are Horus and the Emperor, then Ghaz and 'Rick came a close second. Greatly desired both their models but alas money certainly did not grow on trees back in the early 90s...and my parent's patience was only stretched so thin.

Nice to know there's a hobby project should I run out of them...

I've ordered a single plastic 2nd edition Gretchin off ebay to act as an ammo runt. That's me 11th ed. ready then.

That Grot has a big chin and strong jaw - I wonder if that's a grot taking on aspects of its handler, getting more warboss-like from bearing near da boss or sumfing.

He is just lovely.