PP hot on the heels of GW

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**Crimson Devil**

Re: SST

I hear Mongoose is moving to prepainted models in the near future (ala BF: Evo). Does this mean that they'll be dropping traditional SST (or if not dropping, then at least severely reducing support)?

Mongoose has said that SST will be a fully supported prepainted game, consider it SST 2nd ed. Whether they repeat the mistakes of BF:Evo remains to be seen. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes. I actually prefer SST to 40k, but couldn't get many others to play due to low quality sculpts and limited army choice.

**Asmodai**

So essentially the classic SST game is dead then.

One thing that seems possible is that Mongoose and Rackham will fall into the 32X trap.

The Saturn and Dreamcast had trouble getting market acceptance since Sega had a reputation of releasing hardware and then abandoning it a short time later. If the companies release and drop too many game systems in too short a time, gamers may decide to pass.

Unless it's Orks, Dark Eldar, Chaos Dwarfs or Squats, you're GW army will probably be supported 5 or 10 years from now.

**Duncan_Idaho**

The restart of SST after only 2-3 years is rather problematic and it remains to be seen what comes from it. But Rackham changing it´s skirmish-system after over 10 years is more of a necessity. It´s the only pure skirmish-system that has survived longer than a decade, but it has to evolve radically to stay competetive.

**G.I.Journalist**

Posted By Osbad on 04/05/2007 5:28 AM
Why does this matter?

Because if it is a declining market then its pretty much bad news for customers and there's not a lot that management can do to win as everything will result in lower profit. Consequently they have little incentive to innovate and develop, and every incentive to cut long-term costs.

On the other hand, if the market isn't declining much, but GW's woes are down to competition from the likes of PP, then its all wonderful for the consumer - competition rewards innovation and competitive pricing structures. Competition in a stable market is of great benefit to the consumer (us!)

As a consumer, I want to convince Games Workshop that their losses are a result of competition, so I can reap the benefits. If Games Workshop chooses to ignore companies like Privateer Press and believes that their losses are a consequence of a declining market, I agree that we'll probablly see very little innovation from GW.

We can continuing to encourage new players to the hobby, but we can't necessarily control the market. On the other hand, we can bring the competition to Games Workshop's attention. I'm inclined to contact GW's customer service everytime Privateer Press brings out a gorgeous model and asking, "When are you going to release something like that?"

What do you think it will take for Games Workshop to sit up and pay attention? They certainly noticed that their wallet is lighter, but I'm not certain they believe that competition is the reason.

**RussWakelin**

What do you think it will take for Games Workshop to sit up and pay attention? They certainly noticed that their wallet is lighter, but I'm not certain they believe that competition is the reason.

Sadly, Mauleed's signature says it best.

"The best way to fix 40k is to play Warmachine."

Eventually they will take notice. I think they may have already, they just may not want to admit it publicly. Time will tell.

In the mean time, we as gamers have a pretty good deal. We now have several great miniature war games to choose from, and companies that will be forced to work hard an inovate to stay strong in a relativly small market.

**Ozymandias**

From the looks of what JJ was talking about at Adepticon, I think they have taken notice and are now starting to react. More competition is always a good thing and if it improves the games I play and keeps the costs down, then more power to the smaller guys.

Ozymandias, King of Kings