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It looks as if Traits for Marines are gone, so I'm fairly sure that Doctrines will be as well.

We'll probably get the points drop for basic troopers though.

Nah. Points costs will remain the same.

But I have it on good authority that the Str of Lasguns will go up to 5! And all Guardsmen will receive a 4+ armor save.

Chimeras are now skimmers, also.

Finally, Guard are unique AND competitive.

Nice, had me going there for a second.

I really like the idea that somone had in here where the master vox caster could for a price call in an artillery strike like the basilisk provided they had LOS to the target or another squad with a vox had LOS

AlexCage wrote:Nah. Points costs will remain the same.

But I have it on good authority that the Str of Lasguns will go up to 5! And all Guardsmen will receive a 4+ armor save.

Chimeras are now skimmers, also.

Finally, Guard are unique AND competitive.

Um, OK?

I heard they're going to have an appendix where you can build a LatD army!

*covers head and prepares for hurled chaos conversion work*

Current UK WD (no. 343) revealed that design studio newbie Robin Cruddace will be working on the Guard codex and he had this to say about new codex: "More tanks. A lot more tanks."

Appendix army suggestions? That is so, last edition fantasy!

More tanks! Awesome. Now we can finally return to a time where Guard tanks would sweep across the battlefield, guns blazing and the enemies of mankind falling.

Oh wait... tanks are back to being bunkers in 5th.

My bad.


Although I will say that if the main lists allows you to field more than the standard 3 Russes and in greater variety (a Demolisher here, a couple of lone Russes, a Squadron of Exterminators), it will be quite nice and also gives me a little more justification for owning 30 Russes...

BYE

Vanquishers baby. The world is not right without vanquishers.

At BS3?

Not worth the resin they're made from. Unless they could use their co-axial Storm Bolters that is. Then they're good.

I have four Vanquishers, and they are very cool, but they need to be BS4 to be worthwhile. That many points for 3 hits a game... no thanks.

BYE

I wonder if the plan will be to have many more stripped down tanks with just turret ordnance and hull mount moving 6" every turn, and a few "fire support" type tanks with full sponsons and non-ordnance guns parked in cover pumping out shots.
Not terribly exciting, though I find my Exorcists are still plenty mobile

how about they carnifexify the russes? sponsons = heavy choice, no sponsons = elite?

Or make a tank commander HQ option that allows for tanks as troops choices, and/or tanks in the extended command squad (like sentinels now).

Yeah, I'll definitely say that as a longtime player who's just getting into IG that it's discouraging to only get to field a combination of 3 Russes and/or Basilisks. It'd be nice to be able to field a lot more. The rumors about being able to attach armor to infantry platoons could increase the armor, but I'll be interested to see how many more tanks you can realistically field for the points (unless the points cost for tanks will go down, too!)

H.B.M.C. wrote: gives me a little more justification for owning 30 Russes...

BYE

You're quite mad sir. Russes are justification enough on their own for owning 30 of them! Anything more is just to placate the naysayers and detractors of the glorious armored might of the guard.



More. Tanks.

MORE! Get those IA1 tanks in there! All of em! Then maybe I won't hear "What the hell is that thing?" so often... Atleast not about my Russes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:At BS3?

Not worth the resin they're made from. Unless they could use their co-axial Storm Bolters that is. Then they're good.

I have four Vanquishers, and they are very cool, but they need to be BS4 to be worthwhile. That many points for 3 hits a game... no thanks.

BYE

1. I didn't say they were worthwhile from a gaming standpoint sans BS4 (practically required in A company with nice tank ace/commander option).
2. They are just very cool

Russes should have an upgrade or special rule so HB sponsons count as defensive.

I agree, Hobo. I agree.

Now, here's a fifth of rotgut. I hope it warms your carboard box.

Thing I fear the most, though this could very well be just me, is that when they tinker with the Russ that they might dick around with the armour values as well, in a bad way. "More tanks? Slice the armour here and there for 'balancing' issues"

jfrazell wrote:
2. They are just very cool

Nice Kingtiger
1:48?

BrookM wrote:"More tanks? Slice the armour here and there for 'balancing' issues"

The design studio hasn't worried about balance since 1987. Why should you?

1hadhq wrote:

jfrazell wrote:
2. They are just very cool

Nice Kingtiger
1:48?

Yes indeed. Panthers have a similar effect but at the higher 1:35 or so scale.

Ever used a Tiger I in 1:35?

AlexCage wrote:MORE! Get those IA1 tanks in there! All of em! Then maybe I won't hear "What the hell is that thing?" so often... Atleast not about my Russes.

Oh I have lots of IA1 tanks. The only Forge World Russ variant that I don't own is the Conquerer... because it sucks. My Russes are broken down into:

4 Vanquishers w/Hull Lascannons
3 Exterminators w/3HBs
1 Annihilator w/Hull Lascannon
1 Executioner w/Hull and Sponsons Plasma Cannons (couldn't resist having an all-plasma tank! )
2 Demolishers w/Hull Lascannons + Sponson Multi-Meltas
4 Demolishers w/Hull Lascannons + Sponson Plasma Cannons
6 Russes w/Lascannon + HBs
3 Russes w/3 HBs
3 Russes w/Hull HBs + No Sponsons
3 Russes w/Hull Lascannons + No Sponsons

The 31st Russ Hull that I have is actually a Bombard, which sits in my Artillery Corp that has 4 Basilisks (1 Enclosed), 2 Griffons and 3 Manticores.

And, of course, this is all backed up by 3 Baneblades, 1 Hellhammer, 1 Stormblade and 3 Macharius'.

And I haven't even mentioned the MechInf Company, the Sentinel Recon Company or anything else...

Apoc was good to our group.

BYE

Bob the Hobo wrote:Russes should have an upgrade or special rule so HB sponsons count as defensive.

It should really just be a general rule - All weapons mounted in Sponsons are counted as Defensive weapons regardless of their Strength Value.

BYE

Yes, we *really* need Land Raider twin Lascannons to be counted as Defensive, because Space Marines aren't popular enough already...

Don't forget their upcoming Inferno Cannon things!

Get defensive weapons should depend on AP to restrict it on anti-infantry.

I would take AP 4 as max for defensive for all weapons at vehicles.

Really, though, the point simply illustrates the problem of trying to be simplistic ans saying that all Sponsons / whatever are Defensive. Making a Sponson exception is highly punitive to non-Imperials, given that they generally don't have Sponsons at all.

Who needs sponsons if restricted to AP ?