Fallout 3 opinions

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**lord_sutekh**

Only glaring trouble I had with the game was occaisonal dialogue issues... like one ghoul claiming to have been a scientist "and then those damn bombs dropped." Does becoming a ghoul make you immortal, or something, because last time I checked, the bombs dropped 200 years ago... It's like some of the people writing the dialogue remembered the background, and some others just kinda skimmed it.

**lanman**

the story is as long as you can drag it out. i am level 7 and haven't even been to megaton

**Grignard**

lord_sutekh wrote:Only glaring trouble I had with the game was occaisonal dialogue issues... like one ghoul claiming to have been a scientist "and then those damn bombs dropped." Does becoming a ghoul make you immortal, or something, because last time I checked, the bombs dropped 200 years ago... It's like some of the people writing the dialogue remembered the background, and some others just kinda skimmed it.

Yes, in the previous games there were several ghouls who were from before the war. In Fallout 3 one of the ghouls at the Museum of History mentions that she is a pre war ghoul, and tells the story about how she survived. I don't recall if any of the games state whether ghouls are ageless or simply live a long time.

Also worth mentioning is that the ghoul city in Fallout 1 was the result of a Vault that was intentionally designed to not seal the inhabitants in properly, as part of the Vault experiment. From what I can tell that implies ALL the ghouls in Fallout 1, from that area at least, were pre war.

**Arctik_Firangi**

I picked that up too... fully aware of canon, but the ghouls in F3 just don't SEEM like they're 200 years old. It may be the oblivion-esque lack of voice variety though.

Why, Harold, why?
...Hey, I just figured out why the President was called Richardson in F2. Gawd I'm slow.

I haven't touched F1 for a while. Does it actually refer to the Experiments at all, or was that introduced in F2? Or is it in F2 that mentions the Necropolis vault as a deliberate fault? I know they talk about the vault failing and folk becoming ghouls in the original...

**sebster**

Arctik_Firangi wrote:I picked that up too... fully aware of canon, but the ghouls in F3 just don't SEEM like they're 200 years old. It may be the oblivion-esque lack of voice variety though.

Some ghouls are more than 200 years old, many are not.

I haven't touched F1 for a while. Does it actually refer to the Experiments at all, or was that introduced in F2? Or is it in F2 that mentions the Necropolis vault as a deliberate fault? I know they talk about the vault failing and folk becoming ghouls in the original...

It's hinted at in F2, with some more explicit text to discover if you happen to look in the right places.

**99MDeery**

well i'm on my second character, i gotta say its alot easier being evil killing all those traders that move around the map is a great way to get money, sadly because i blew up megaton i can't find anywhere else to repair my gear, i havent gotten to rivet city yet so anyone got any ideas?

**yakface**

99MDeery wrote:well i'm on my second character, i gotta say its alot easier being evil killing all those traders that move around the map is a great way to get money, sadly because i blew up megaton i can't find anywhere else to repair my gear, i havent gotten to rivet city yet so anyone got any ideas?

Big Town (which isn't too far a walk from Megaton) has someone who repairs weapons. Also, any of the scavengers that are located at specific (unmarked) areas in the wasteland can also often repair your gear.

**99MDeery**

Big Town (which isn't too far a walk from Megaton) has someone who repairs weapons. Also, any of the scavengers that are located at specific (unmarked) areas in the wasteland can also often repair your gear.

thanks Yakface, i knew about the scavangers, sadly my character kills them and robs them of everything once they have repaired my gear, still i'll keep alook out for big town

**CorporateLogo**

If you blew up Megaton there should be a room a la the Megaton house in Tenpenny Towers waiting for you if you took the quest from Mister Burke.

**dogma**

I didn't know this forum existed on dakka until 20 minutes ago. Shows how much I pay attention.

Anyway, my feeling about this game have been covered at least 3 times over. In bullet format:

-Good combat, interesting but not repetitive.
-Engaging environment. Better than Fallout 1, maybe not as good as Fallout 2. Though many times I felt my own feet on gravel, so it was certainly more immersive.
-The main story was weak. Very weak. It started off quite well, but sputtered out due to lack of depth. Not unlike all of Bethesda's work. With the exception of TES:3
-The music was FANTASTIC. It fit the environs, and yet was not in any way repetitive 50's dreck. This, in combination with nominal sound design, may have made the game for me.

**Arctik_Firangi**

Dogmeat swimming is the cutest damned thing I've ever seen.

Anyone found an item that can repair the Eyebot Helm yet?

**99MDeery**

surely you cant just take it to a shop keeper that repairs stuff?

**lord_sutekh**

Some can, some can't... and generally, the repair job is craptastic. I lucked into one to cannibalize for repair, but eventually, it had to go.

**Salad_Fingers**

Great review here

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/420-Fallout-3

**yakface**

Does your character really max out at level 20???

What a bummer!

**Achilles**

He does... but you can still walk around getting all the achievements so long as you don't take the final quest.

**Deadshane1**

I just finished the "third to the last" quest just last night and hit level 18 and it finally set in....

This game is no-longer new. I hope the replay value is good enough for me...

I know there's still a lot to explore. Maybe as a 'Evil' big gun and unarmed computer whiz. Otherwise I'll take a break with some more "lego Indiana Jones" before Resident Evil comes out in march.

**Noisy_Marine**

Am I the only one who is bummed that you can't kill kids in Fallout 3? I never did it in Fallout 2, (except by accident) but the fact that it was there was ... interesting. They pulled the same thing in Fable. The only town that had kids is the town where you *have* to turn in your weapons. pffftt...

**Chrysaor686**

The thing that I'm concerned about. Why do you have a desire to kill children? I mean really?

Do you honestly know how much flak the gaming industry has caught from having games where you can kill children? There have been TONS of protests and legal actions against such a thing. Bethesda (and Lionhead) is just covering their own ass here, because I don't think they want to get sued or have their game recalled.

**Noisy_Marine**

I jest sir. I don't actually want to kill children.

**Arctik_Firangi**

But planting grenades on children is Fallout canon!

Though I guess all of the kids in the first two were androgynous with long hair... like a lot of the smellier kids at the FLGS.

**Thanatos_elNyx**

yakface wrote:
I got the game and I have to say I'm a little frustrated with how poorly they've constructed the beginning of the game to help you figure out exactly how the game functions.

The 'intro' bit in the vault is all well and good, but once I escaped the vault all I had in my possession is a pistol with roughly 24 shots, a BB gun (and ammo), Baseball bat, Baseball, Baseball glove, some armor (and helmet) and a couple of vault jumpsuits. I've got no money (which fits the story) and I have no idea how to make money.

By this time in the game I've decided I'm going to play a 'good guy' type of character. I'm not going to steal or lie and I'm always going to try to help people out. . .for compensation, of course, a man's gotta survive.

Following that archetype when the crap went down in the vault I decided I wasn't going to try to kill the vault security guys who were chasing me, I just ran from them instead. I have no idea if I missed out on a bunch of great weapons/gear etc. by fleeing straight for the exit, but that felt like the 'right' thing for my particular character to do.

So when I get to Megaton, I'm looking for guidance on how exactly I survive in this game world and I don't get any of that. The town sheriff asks me if I can disarm their bomb. Well, I'm looking to help and I picked a bunch of technical skills when I was developing the character so I say 'sure', I'll try to disarm it to get some cash.

But of course when I get to the bomb, I don't have the sufficient ability to do so. Crap. Still no money. So I head to the bar and talk to the guy who saw my dad, but he wants cash to tell me what I want to know, but of course I still have no money. Crap again.

He offers me a job to go jack some guy up in the nearby town, but everyone has told me this bar owner is a sleaze and I don't want to work for him (or rough someone up on his behalf) so I'm not going to take that job. Another guy in the bar wants me to blow the town up, but of course that's not something I'm interested in.

Finally, I find some girl who wants me to deliver a note to her brother in another town for some cash. There's a task I can feel good about doing.

So I set off to find this other town, with only those few measly weapons to my name and no health packs. It happens to be pitch black at night when I set out and on the very long trek I happen to be attacked by several beasts in the dark, become irradiated by falling in the river that I don't see until I fall into it, get shot and killed by raiders in the dark with my pistol running out of ammo trying to kill them (pistol + vats + long range doesn't work, which I'm sure you all know now).

OMG, that was (almost) my exact experience last night. Though I did take Moriartys job and was able to talk the target into giving me the money.
I didn't like Oblivion but mostly for its loading issues, and i haven't had any of those in this game.

My only dislike is the manual aiming is a little ineffective.

**smiling Assassin**

I think this game is actually my favourite game for at least... a while.

I'm in a hurry, so rattling off these:

- Music is fantastic. I've spent about £8 buying these tracks off iTunes, purely for the awesome value.

- The game is beautiful. Pop up on a hill, admire the sunrise over the irradiated wastes.

- DLC! Epic DLC announced. It lets you continue after you've finished the game.

- VATS! The VATS is fun, but sometimes combat feels a bit "One shot to the head... BOOM", and too easy.

~sA

**somecallmeJack**

Im really more of a casual gamer, I rarely play for more than an hour or two at a time, but fallout 3 is the first game Ive played in years I can play for 6 hour periods & not notice where the times gone.

**malfred**

Got it, but it hasn't sucked me in. I didn't get much into Morrowind and
Oblivion either. Just not a fan of first person pseudo real-time, I guess.

**whitedragon**

It is stated in the game that Ghouls age slowly. (If at all) That is why some of the ghouls are older than 200.

Best part of the game is shooting heads off in VATS. The animation/slow mo never gets old, and it just is satisfying to watch heads go flying. I talk to my TV as I'm playing. The raiders come up and say some inane chatter like, "I'm going to kill you...etc" and I say to the TV, "No you aint B*TCH, cuz I got a shotgun that is gonna shoot you in yo' face!" And then I turn on VATS and keep my promise. It never gets old.

I'm playing a paragon saint of a character as well!

**SuperCow**

Game is pretty darn good. If it wasn't Fall Out 3 it would be nearly perfect. It impossible for it to live up to the hype and memories of a Fall Out nut, and it does indeed fall short in that regard. The game was over way too quick. I casually played the main story line and then beat the game by mistake. The main story was WAYYY too short. I've read it hours tons of extra content but I was a little annoyed when I beat the game because I did not think I was anywhere near the ending when it ended. Overall the game is fun and for sure worth playing though. Very polished, brutal, fun.

**smiling Assassin**

Ghouls do indeed age extremely slowly. This is a bit of a bonus, seeing as they are also sterile. This means that this generation of Ghouls will be the last.

However, I'm also seeing that new ghouls are made in the game -- e.g. Moira if you pop Megaton. I'd be happy to see a few more around.

~sA

P.S. I've played this for 34 Hours since Boxing Day. I'm taking a break, it's destroying my social and work life.

Not for long...

**99MDeery**

The game was over way too quick. I casually played the main story line and then beat the game by mistake. The main story was WAYYY too short.

gotta agree with that, its why i havent touched my copy 3 weeks after it came out, i havent explored half of the map, i just cannot bring myself to start a new character just to do the extra quests and get all the bobbleheads etc

still was playing it round a friends this weekend and its still fun but we were all picking a location or quest to do which made it fun as i can still get to see the places i never bothered going to?

btw has anyone found the vault full of Gary's yet? Its really really really funny

**smiling Assassin**

Funny?

I almost sh*t myself. I go in, decide to sneak it with no Pip-Boy Light, no Radio, using only Mines and Knives. I get down there, checking out a Terminal. Back out of it, and I hear "GAARRYY!" and just get thwacked.

Scary.

~sA