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The plastic scouts are nice... for beefier looking legs for my guardsmen.

Also, for the heavy weapon teams, if you're handy with a dremel you can magnet together a squad which uses the heavy bolter, autocannon and lascannon with fairly minimal fuss and folly.

Put together the gunner, loader and guns. Glue the tripod to the base. Do not glue on the flashguard bit. Dremel into knee or heel of gunner and loader. Place magent in. Place magnet into the bottom of the box of ammo for the heavy bolter.

To set up heavy bolter: Plunk heavy bolter into tripod. use magnet on bottom of the base (do not glue these magnets on) to connect the gunner, loader and ammo box.

For the other weapons: do the same things.

It's fairly easy.

On topic: Rough Riders are the suck, as is the model for the missionary (had to greenstuff the chainsword arm on).

Yea, IG need some love I say! Like the Orks got!

I prefer the WFB5-WFB6 Empire State Troops. They look like proper Landsknecht.

sonofruss wrote:

Illeix wrote:Imperial Guard heavy weapon team.
Does GW really expect me to waste 80% of a box?

why not make HW sets seperated into thier own types? Like a fire support team to make a HB or AC, anti tank for a missile launcher or Lascannon, then a mortar team.

That allows each kit to be made out of a single sprue, in a smaller box, and de-emphisizes converting.
meaning they can cost $8 usd, gives capital feedback on what players actually want, and makes GW more money.

um you could just use all the hev weapon parts with a squad box. Make sand bag revetments to hold up the ones that don't have the tripod, and having the rocket standing, and bipod the mortar.

Better yet, with the use of some magnets you could make the heavy weapon swappable allowing you to switch weapons at will.

This year's games day miniature, and in fact all sm.
8 feet tall my arse!
GW, I hate you, why do I buy your stuff!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG

6th edition plastic Bretonnian Men At arms. I was all set to buy a new army with the release of plastic men at arms, archers etc... only to be inflicted with these abmoninations. Not only are they tiny, with faces which would make an inbred with no dental care look like a super model, but to make matters worse, they have those horrible elbow connecting arms, and poorly sculpted shields as well. Further adding insult to injury, there are no spears in the box, despite this being a unit option.

What was wrong with the lovely fantasy HYW look they had before?

Not so fond of the new Empire troops either, but at least I have the old ones to use (5+ regiments? hmm, maybe more).

JohnHwangDD wrote:I prefer the WFB5-WFB6 Empire State Troops. They look like proper Landsknecht.

I wish I could find some of the old "Soldiers of the Empire" boxes, myself. They come with nicer shields than the current box, the detail bitz are optional, and the poses are more potentially versatile than the essentially-onepose ones in the new box.

What really irks me about FB Empire is that their line infantry is anachronistic enough that every historical minis range that I've found looks off next to them. Bretonnians don't suffer from this nearly as much. Empire cavalry is pretty close to crusade-era knights in many respects, but their state troops are in renaissance dress wielding medieval-era short 6-foot spears instead of the 10-12 foot pikes that their closest historical equivalents had.

@Aga2: And that is why I will *never* unload my Empire Soldiers boxes. Esp with their nice metal Command and Crossbow / Handgunner bitz.

But yeah, I really hate the Empire Spearmen, especially with Shields. Halberdiers are the only way to go with them.

That said, they do convert beautifully into proper-looking Dogs of War Pikemen...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I prefer the WFB5-WFB6 Empire State Troops. They look like proper Landsknecht.

I wish I could find some of the old "Soldiers of the Empire" boxes, myself. They come with nicer shields than the current box, the detail bitz are optional, and the poses are more potentially versatile than the essentially-onepose ones in the new box.

What really irks me about FB Empire is that their line infantry is anachronistic enough that every historical minis range that I've found looks off next to them. Bretonnians don't suffer from this nearly as much. Empire cavalry is pretty close to crusade-era knights in many respects, but their state troops are in renaissance dress wielding medieval-era short 6-foot spears instead of the 10-12 foot pikes that their closest historical equivalents had.

hmm? the empire knights are pretty closely matched with early renaissance knights (Gendarmes), not crusading knights. The only difference is that they carry a shield, which had already been abandoned for battlefield use in that period.

Sorry, my history knowledge failed me pretty badly there. I've looked at so many historical ranges that they all just blur together. You're quite right, and if I were to go for third-party alternative models, the Renaissance would be my period of choice. These figures for example are quite close to the Empire look, though the pikemens' weapons would need shortening.

Blood Thirster, simply too overpowered.
But it still dies.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Sorry, my history knowledge failed me pretty badly there. I've looked at so many historical ranges that they all just blur together. You're quite right, and if I were to go for third-party alternative models, the Renaissance would be my period of choice. These figures for example are quite close to the Empire look, though the pikemens' weapons would need shortening.

Happily those were also sculpted by the Perry brothers, so they match perfectly with the 5th edition plastic figures (slightly less well with the 6th edition starter plastics, which are larger). The pikes are even a better story, since they come empty handed, easy enough to place your own spears in their arms if you perfer that to pikes.

Happygrunt wrote:

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

If I have to glue his blocky orks together, paint them, and look at them for their life in my army then I think that qualifies as assembling

I am not talking about his personal GD entries. He is a brilliant painter. I am talking about his horrible style with the Orks as compared to Nelson and other greats of the past. Perbet's Orks look like they are squares on top of squares glued to more squares.

Kej wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

If I have to glue his blocky orks together, paint them, and look at them for their life in my army then I think that qualifies as assembling

I am not talking about his personal GD entries. He is a brilliant painter. I am talking about his horrible style with the Orks as compared to Nelson and other greats of the past. Perbet's Orks look like they are squares on top of squares glued to more squares.

Sorry, thought you meant the models he enters into contests.

I don't like the new fantasy mounted Chaos lord's bottom. He floats a few millimetres above the saddle, so he won't stick in place.

- The Ogryn Models. Bleh. Please make them consistent with the much better Ogre Kingdoms models. I mean, I know you can convert them, but why even bother having those fugly pieces of crap ruin an otherwise nice-looking army?

- Ratling Squads. Haven't been updated since 2nd. Enough Said.

- Rough Riders. I absolutely hate the idea of an army that has access to tanks using horse-mounted infantry with spears. Especially when they look like followers of Atilla the Hun.

- Old Warriors of Chaos. You know, the ones that look fairly similar to a regular CSM model. Something about the 6th Ed. Warriors just throws me off. I much prefer the standing ones with the capes.

- Great Unclean One. I've never liked the "cheesy" feel that GW has always attempted to give to Nurgle. In fact, I hate it. And this is the worst offender of them all.

- Plaguebearers. See "Great Unclean One"

- Nurglings. See "Great Unclean One". I'd like to see a rendition of nurglings done up like maggots or some such thing. I think that would be pretty awesome.

- New Daemonettes. Compared to the old ones, these models are a tragedy. I had always imagined that Daemonettes were intended to be seductive, and they come up with THIS? Who the hell would be distracted by hermaphrodite pink crab creatures from hell?

- Landspeeders. Somehow, they just don't fit in with everything else the Space Marines have going for them.

- Anything with bone-horses. The basic GW bone horse is possibly the worst looking model I've ever seen, whether it be Vampire Counts or Tomb Kings. They make me want to strangle whoever modeled them. I know they must be difficult to model correctly, but even so....they just make me cringe.

I would have to agree with all of those except the land speeder
Space marines are a tactical force so it fits with the fluff, unlike daemonettes as you said, and also they look quite cool, maybe not great with sm driving but using the new scout biker as crew you could make a pretty cool scoutspeeder

Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

Oh and noise marine arms and supporting arms... And the old metal death guard with the fat bellies that their death guard metal bolter arms wouldn't fit around...

i hate the tech marine in the thunder fire cannon. those ing servo-arms just refuse to stay on!

I have a couple

40K- about 70% of DE because they are fugly

WHFB- Wood Elf lord on Eagle, because a whole metal model on a spindly flying stand is a very bad idea!

New Daemonettes. Compared to the old ones, these models are a tragedy. I had always imagined that Daemonettes were intended to be seductive, and they come up with THIS? Who the hell would be distracted by hermaphrodite pink crab creatures from hell?

...seriously? You wouldn't find that the least bit distracting?

"OMG WHAT THE HELL IS THA-"

I must be the only one who likes the new daemonettes then. I think they fit their fluff better, they're supposed to be hermaphroditic, and they look a lot like the older models now with the crab claws and alien-like faces.

ArbitorIan wrote:Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

You should try a Confrontation Cynwall Dragon.

Metal, with a 2 PART WING! You have to assemble the WING!!!!

ArbitorIan wrote:Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

-raises hand-

And that is why the plastic Dragon & Balrog wings are truly awesome for model longevity.

Though I think the metal-body / plastic-wing Wood Elf Dragon is truly an awesome bit of sculpting.

Kej wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Kej wrote:Anything Seb Perbet puts a sculpting tool too......

I ment assembleing modles, not the out come of someone elses.

If I have to glue his blocky orks together, paint them, and look at them for their life in my army then I think that qualifies as assembling

I am not talking about his personal GD entries. He is a brilliant painter. I am talking about his horrible style with the Orks as compared to Nelson and other greats of the past. Perbet's Orks look like they are squares on top of squares glued to more squares.

I have to disagree. I absolutely love the Kommandos.

ArbitorIan wrote:Showing my age but... who remembers METAL DRAGONS?

Jesus, the wings on their own weighed more than the body of the damn thing.. never stayed together..

Oh jeebus rice yes. And they were ugly as sin, I'm sure Throgdor the Burninator (first draw an S, then draw another S) was inspired by GW dragons.

The plastic elf dragon is the first GW dragon I've liked.

Everything that's made of metal, `nuff said. This includes metal/plastic mixed bossets.

Why? Because only about 1/6 of the superglue I use ends up on the model, the rest on my hands.

i have always hated the ratling models and the ork buggies and trakks.
just... awful.
and the dark eldar are pretty terrible across the board, too.

The Tryanid Hive tyrant its so anoying how the arms fall off I still cant get the arms to stay on

Ork Dreadnoughts were not fun.

I really dislike the necron warriors. why they attached the supporting arm's hand to the gun, I'm not sure. I don't really care anymore though, I have 30 warriors assembled.

That being said, the monolith was surprisingly well built and easy to assemble.