Scoring Units

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**Omega_Warlord**

/fix on

"normal scoring unit" - GW blunder

friendly games - get over it and have fun (not saying op to get over it, just someone)

tournaments - ask TO beforehand

me- only if you let my firewarrior honor guard score as well

/fix off

**Orkeosaurus**

ajfirecracker wrote:Responding more directly to Orkeosaurus' argument: there's simply no way to take X scoring unit and argue that it's something other than a scoring unit which is also X, especially since scoring unit is well-defined (by GW standards) in the rulebook.

Untue; X could be a descriptor for the adjective "scoring".

Thus, a normal scoring unit could be a unit that has a normal scoring ability, as opposed to a unit that is both normal and scoring. I'll admit that "normally scoring unit" would probably be a better expression of this, grammatically, though.

**ajfirecracker**

A "normal scoring" unit is not at all equivalent to a "normally scoring" unit.

Changing a word from an adjective to an adverb changes the meaning of the word in context.

Applying the word "normal" to a unit simply cannot be interpreted to remove any other description given to it. If the unit is considered scoring, also being normal cannot remove that ability.

**Gwar!**

But THE QUESTION IS ABOUT VICTORY POINTS. Thus "Scoring" is not does not mean anything to do with Scoring for Objectives.

**Orkeosaurus**

ajfirecracker wrote:Changing a word from an adjective to an adverb changes the meaning of the word in context.

It should change the meaning, that would be grammatically correct.

However, people neither write nor read with perfect grammar all of the time. So there is another way to read it .

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Gwar! wrote:But THE QUESTION IS ABOUT VICTORY POINTS. Thus "Scoring" is not does not mean anything to do with Scoring for Objectives.

Weren't units that were reduced below half strength/immobilized/etc referred to as "half-scoring" for victory point purposes in 4th edition?

I can't believe I forgot about that.

**ajfirecracker**

The question could be about bananas, and if it says scoring unit, the unit is scoring. In 5e that means something for objectives but nothing for VPs.

And no, orkeosaurus, adverb adjective noun only works if the adjective is a gerund. Adjective adjective noun is always correct. You could read it as normally scoring unit, but that would be changing the rules. And even if it weren't, there's no reason to say that "normally scoring" units do not score.

Also, 4e doesn't matter.

**Orkeosaurus**

There are still rules for victory points in 5th edition.

Also, if you read it as normally scoring unit it wouldn't be changing the rules, it would be interpreting the meaning of the sentence in a manner that is somewhat defiant of grammatical convention. I'm not sure how reading a sentence in a specific manner can ever change the sentence itself.

**ajfirecracker**

Off-topic: (this is inane) You're changing a word. The word is part of the sentence. Therefore you're changing the sentence.

**solkan**

Wow, looking at the text which contained the phrase 'normal scoring unit', this argument is about a phrase in the example given to explain an answer about question about calculating victory points.

Is there a Dakka article about Easter Egg hunts?

**ajfirecracker**

VP have rules, but not scoring units. Objectives have both.

**Orkeosaurus**

ajfirecracker wrote:Off-topic: (this is inane) You're changing a word. The word is part of the sentence. Therefore you're changing the sentence.

You're reading a sentence in a manner that would better be expressed with a different sentence. You're not literally changing a word; you're not adding a "-ly" with a sharpie.

(Also, yes, this is inane.)

**Nivoglibina**

After 3 pages about Victory Points scoring units I'm confused

Do non-vehicle, non-troop units gain the ability to "score" on objectives when you can field them as a troop choice by some means (for instance Warboss + Nobs) in their codex?

**Gwar!**

Nivoglibina wrote:Do non-vehicle, non-troop units gain the ability to "score" on objectives when you can field them as a troop choice by some means (for instance Warboss + Nobs) in their codex?

Yes, because they become Troops. They are no longer their Non-Troop Type, they are Troops.