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Yeah it kind of limits play I actually wonder if GW is going to release thunderwolf models at all.

I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere.

Kind of funny tho; HERE IS GREAT UNIT, uh we dont actually sell a model for it.

I gues you could use five canis wolfborn but isnt he like 50 dollars.

I gues you could use five canis wolfborn

Bingo! After all, GW is a for-profit organization.

Sanctjud wrote:@Kirasu:
Where do the rune priests go?
The grey hunters? So that means not a 10 man GH squad...

Or the long fangs? And focus on living lighting?

One squad is 10 man with 2 meltas, the others were 9 man with 1 melta

Vs some armies I would keep 2 rune priests in the rhinos and move up 6" and fire out of the hatch.. Or sometimes i kept all 3 with longfangs to provide LD and use split fire ability.. One of the rune priests has stormcaller to sit with the long fangs if I only keep 1 behind

But yeah living lightning is such an amazing power.. I was killing 3 transports or more a turn

Hollismason wrote:Yeah it kind of limits play I actually wonder if GW is going to release thunderwolf models at all.

I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere.

Kind of funny tho; HERE IS GREAT UNIT, uh we dont actually sell a model for it.

I gues you could use five canis wolfborn but isnt he like 50 dollars.

They would have sold the crap outta Canis Wolfborn if they made the rider separate from the wolf.

Sorry smart decisions are not allowed

Kind of funny tho; HERE IS GREAT UNIT, uh we don't actually sell a model for it.

Reminds me of the good old days when GW didn't make a transport (wave serpent) for the Eldar at all.

Or a drop pod for 4 years when they would haves old 3 to every SM player

@ OP
You really haven't read the codex. Clearly you would have seen that SW fight from the 24" line. Yes, they can do other things, but they are an "up front and personal" army.

For example you can have a Logan based army that includes the following...

58+ combi weapons, 3 dreads (via Wolf Guard use troop slots and open elites for dreads), scoring wolfguard, 3 man scoring units dropping in pods (similar to Chaos termicide squads), relentless Long Fangs (again, on drop pod), more options than I care to go on with.

Is this not enough firepower?

x3 Long Fangs with 5 heavy weapons of your choice
up to 4 Rune Priests with Chain Lightning, obviously armed with some other power.
Added Wolf Guard with termie armor and CML's

Also, 3 wolf guard in power armor embarked in razorback for a mere 94 points. Granted this is the base cost, but that is cheap. Adding the fact that by adding Logan it's scoring, is ridiculous.

Obviously, this isn't the same as the SM codex, but if it was. Why the hell would they have even bothered writing the SW book?

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:@ OP
You really haven't read the codex. Clearly you would have seen that SW fight from the 24" line. Yes, they can do other things, but they are an "up front and personal" army.

For example you can have a Logan based army that includes the following...

58+ combi weapons, 3 dreads (via Wolf Guard use troop slots and open elites for dreads), scoring wolfguard, 3 man scoring units dropping in pods (similar to Chaos termicide squads), relentless Long Fangs (again, on drop pod), more options than I care to go on with.

Is this not enough firepower?

x3 Long Fangs with 5 heavy weapons of your choice
up to 4 Rune Priests with Chain Lightning, obviously armed with some other power.
Added Wolf Guard with termie armor and CML's

Also, 3 wolf guard in power armor embarked in razorback for a mere 94 points. Granted this is the base cost, but that is cheap. Adding the fact that by adding Logan it's scoring, is ridiculous.

Obviously, this isn't the same as the SM codex, but if it was. Why the hell would they have even bothered writing the SW book?

Thank you

Thats great now make that list in 1500 points. Wait you can't the point is to unlock even 1 of those "special" lists with lots of wolf guard you need to purchase Logan and he's a pretty hefty 280 points.


I could go on about how in a 4 Rune Priest army with 18 Longfangs you just spent nearly 1000 points for 22 models.

Hollismason wrote:Thats great now make that list in 1500 points. Wait you can't the point is to unlock even 1 of those "special" lists with lots of wolf guard you need to purchase Logan and he's a pretty hefty 280 points.


I could go on about how in a 4 Rune Priest army with 18 Longfangs you just spent nearly 1000 points for 22 models.

What do you want? An army with no weakness or trade offs?

I ran 3 rune priests, 3 long fang squads, 4 grey hunter squads with wolf guard attached, and 2 lone wolves in 1850. I felt it was a very strong and very effective list for the points. Sure it had its problems, but god help anyone running a close combat heavy list who tried to charge me.

Hollismason wrote:Thats great now make that list in 1500 points. Wait you can't the point is to unlock even 1 of those "special" lists with lots of wolf guard you need to purchase Logan and he's a pretty hefty 280 points.


I could go on about how in a 4 Rune Priest army with 18 Longfangs you just spent nearly 1000 points for 22 models.

He's 270 and it's not that hard to make a solid list with this codex so quick whining. What may have started at a decent point is now slowly turning into a sob story.

Yep. As a xeno player every time I see one of these sw complaints, sorry, 'analysis', I just roll my eyes. Your mm bike is bs 3? Really, that's your justification for it being no good? Wow, we xenos have entire armies that are bs 3 and don't even have mm. Guess we should all just go play smurfs

Old Man Ultramarine wrote:
up to 4 Rune Priests with Chain Lightning, obviously armed with some other power.

That's illegal but otherwise I agree.

At the cost of one free special weapon and the addition of one Wolf guard "grey hunter" which is 3pts more, you can equip him with a power weapon or a power fist and combi-weapon, to match that of his grey hunter buddies. That plus the 3A on the charge models + a MotW model and you have a sick close-combat unit. I think this is always overlooked.

Ugh...lets not get into that rules debate in the Tactics section...

The issue is: it's still more points dumped into them. The combi-melta is still very different from a regular melta.
It's certainly an option, IMO a decent one, but the cost effective squad of just 2 specials and MoTW and a ride is crazy good. Standard for the Lulz.

Hollismason wrote:Thats great now make that list in 1500 points. Wait you can't the point is to unlock even 1 of those "special" lists with lots of wolf guard you need to purchase Logan and he's a pretty hefty 280 points.

Because of their high concentration of S7-8 heavy weapons between Rune Priests with Lightning and Long Fangs, SWs on paper actually perform quite well in the lower point range games.

2 Rune Priests
3 Long Fang Missile squads
3 4 man Wolf Guard squads in drop pods with 4 combi meltas
3 5 man GH squads in Razorbacks with free flamer, MotW, and WGPL with combiflamer and power weapon

That's a 1500 point army quite capable of dealing a massive pimp slap to... anything. Certainly AV10-12 spam will have a lot of issues. Nidzilla runs into a wall of missiles and dies; even uberfexes don't like eating 12 combi meltas. Horde has a real problem with frag missiles and there's plenty of flamer support. Vanilla terminator/raider lists max out at 2 Raiders, and have a huge problem dealing with the drop pods unless they're willing to leave everything in reserve.

If you get hung up on the SW codex as an army of close combat chaos marines, then yeah, they look underwhelming. When you realize how much heavy weapon fire and psychic defense you can cram into 1,000 points on models that *don't* auto-die in assault, however, suddenly it starts to take on a new light. And MotW is a significant boost to their combat effectiveness. Seriously, when receiving the assault, that one model is potentially as fighty as another 7 tactical Marines that Rend.

This is a really shooty army

Hollismason wrote:

If you get hung up on the SW codex as an army of close combat chaos marines, then yeah, they look underwhelming. When you realize how much heavy weapon fire and psychic defense you can cram into 1,000 points on models that *don't* auto-die in assault, however, suddenly it starts to take on a new light. And MotW is a significant boost to their combat effectiveness. Seriously, when receiving the assault, that one model is potentially as fighty as another 7 tactical Marines that Rend.

This is a really shooty army

I could not agree more. I have played about 10-12 games since the new book of which I have lost (2), and one was very clearly due to the dice.

I have seen multiple people harping on how much this is an all assault army, and they could not be any more wrong.

I got two words for those people.....COUNTER CHARGE. If you do not NEED to get yourself into combat to save you from mass shooting on the opponents round then go ahead, rapid fire those bolters. Let whatever survives come on in and get equal if not LESS attacks than you.

Since the changes made to Long Fangs this army has one of, if not the best (for the points) fire supports units in the game. Use it. I had gotten so used to crossing my fingers for low casualties the first turn or two while I got to do almost no shooting and close for CC last codex. This all changed when I started launching 10-12 missiles a round at my enemy over the advancing Rhinos/Raiders and at 2-4 targets no less.

I really hate that they gakked all over the Blood Claws in the new dex, but it is a fact. They basically made them obsolete outside of 15man squads stuffed into an LRC. With the GH being so good and equal points with better weapon options, why would you ever field Claws outside of that one instance? The extra points per BC model, loss of 2 power fists in unit, headstrong being ultra lame now, etc. have taken the core unit that made this an all out assault army and severely weakened it. However with what they gave in terms of fire support via the Long Fangs, adjustments to the points/weapon loads of GH's, and making our Psychic strength second(maybe) only to Eldar. I have trouble labeling this army as anything but one of the top-tier armies and cannot see how anyone could call them mediocre. Just adjust from 90/10% assault vs shooting oriented armies to a more 60/40 approach and you will see just how much balance and synergy this army truly has.

Just my 2c.

Exactly... Counter charge eliminates the need for GHs to shoot pistols and charge (unless they are trying to prevent FC or something). Being able to sit back and RF knowing you'll still have tons of attacks when you get charged is HUGE! I'd kill for my Tacticals to have counter charge, even without the extra CCW.

SWPIGWANG wrote:Personally, I feel that GH is overrated given everything else in the list. Yes they are better than CSM and the likes, but since when is CSM a imba uber spammed unit?

Show me a competitve csm list that does not spam either plague marines, chaos marines or a combination of both.

SWPIGWANG wrote:The gun line SW army scares me more. LF is very much the best of its class by a wide margin and splitting fire is also very good too in reducing overkill and allowing mixed weapons to work.

Yes and GH's help you achieve this. Tac squads are most effective in rhino bunkers doing area denial. GH's can be used agressively, can assault and actually survive an assault by anything other than dedicated assault units. Assault marines don't count.

SWPIGWANG wrote:Wolf Guard is another unit that has great potential, in its flexibility in which members to split off which will be like combat squad for the wolves.

If they came with bolters as well as bp and ccw, they would be fantastic. They are solid, but lacking this one little piece of gear makes them less desirable.

SWPIGWANG wrote:Add difficult terrain causing abilities, tarpit fenrisian wolves and enough options for a strong counter charge led by hq, it is probably the best gun line there is. SW still have other options to fill holes if the local meta is against such an army.

SW's are a fantastic gunline army. LF's are indeed ridiculous.


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Gornall wrote:Exactly... Counter charge eliminates the need for GHs to shoot pistols and charge (unless they are trying to prevent FC or something). Being able to sit back and RF knowing you'll still have tons of attacks when you get charged is HUGE! I'd kill for my Tacticals to have counter charge, even without the extra CCW.

I look at GH's as Tac marines, but instead of tactics, they get counter charge, instead of combat squads they get acute senses and ccw. GH's get 2 specials, tacs get 1 special and 1 heavy, but need 10 to get that.

GH's are every bit as good as tacs and in my un-educated, ill-informed, honest, hack opinion, better.

I may not be up with 'tournament standard' players but all I know is that I wiped my opponent off the board with my first 500pts of Space wolves a couple of weeks back.