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...Really?

REALLY?

It's the XV-89. It's not difficult to see that, at all. It's just posed in a crouch(which actually isn't hard to do at all with the suits.)

Is this XV-89 tau??? The model in the faded picture doesn't look like tau.

Oops double, clicked it once though oh well. I won't spoil this post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RddPIqzEzpo

That's the XV-89.

It's on the Forge World site under Battlesuits & Drones.

So it's no new release. Too bad for tau players

...Except there is a new release for Tau...


The XV-9 'Hazard' Close Support Suit is the new release, and on the same page as the Broadside Destructor Phalanx.
And there's no real reason for a Tau release. Not in IA8, not a revised codex, etc. I'm surprised as it is that the Hazard came out.

FW do have a habit of randomly doing Battlesuit variants, though.

Interesting that the book mentions new weapon loadouts for the XV-9 without the models having been released yet.

Yeah, but how difficult would it be to modify the weapons for the XV-89?

Just a quick post:

I was on the phone with Forge World today, inquiring as to IA8. But, I did get an answer as to why Mamon's points cost is different in IA: Apocalypse II.

The reasoning was that Mamon was cheaper in Vraks due to an oversight where he was supposed to have two points costs.

One for general, common usage and the other for the scenarios from the book where he was involved.

Kanluwen wrote:The reasoning was that Mamon was cheaper in Vraks due to an oversight where he was supposed to have two points costs.

One for general, common usage and the other for the scenarios from the book where he was involved.

That's stupid.

A model is worth what a model is worth. They don't change depending on the scenario.

FW are worse at writing rules than GW is, and that's saying something.

Yeah. Apparently it was for a scenario that got dropped when they did the finalized storyline. It was to be Mamon, Scabeiathrax, Jibberjaw, and a veritable tide of Plague Zombies facing off against what was to be a Krieg firebase.

The scenario was intended to be something like seven rounds, and on par with an Apocalypse match.


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Blah, and I forgot to state that it the point costs for ALL of the Daemonic forces was supposed to be lowered if the Chaos player had won a playing of "Stop the Ritual" from the Daemonhunters book.

So, what? Mamon will be a 450-point Monstrous Creature? What the hell? Is Forge World high, stupid or both?

I'm gonna go with "fluffy".

It sounds so much better than overcosted.

Agamemnon2 wrote:So, what? Mamon will be a 450-point Monstrous Creature? What the hell? Is Forge World high, stupid or both?

Resin fumes, man.

H.B.M.C. wrote:A model is worth what a model is worth. They don't change depending on the scenario.

Actually this kind of thinking has been around GW for awhile now. Jervis was a big fan of it while working on Epic Armageddon.

Well, conceivably, by adjusting points values up and down you'd end up adjusting the difficulty level of a game using that armylist. Giving the Renegades cheap Mamon would make the game much harder for the Daemonhunters/Guard players.

I'm puzzled by this because Mamon isn't uber-impressive. What are his selling points? FnP, SnP and a Bane Wolf cannon on one arm? The closest comparison is probably Ku'Gath, who's a beefy 300 points with a similar statline. Is Mamon worth an extra 150 points on top of that? On the other hand, looking at him as he is in IAV7 next to Ku'Gath, the points costs don't seem quite at parity there either.

Why did it happen Aggy?

Because of the simple fact that you put more thought into that paragraph above than Warwick did into writing Mamon's rules.

If FW spent as much time writing rules as you did constructing that very simple post above, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

LunaHound wrote:I found these it says " Ultramarines icons are great for customising your Ultramarines force, especially Dreadnoughts and other vehicles "
Where on the dred does these fit on?

Aren't that icons supposed to be cut? So you have 12 icons there, not 3 huge ones. They fit anywhere.

This just in: People on Warseer with copies of IAA2 claim Mamon's cost is, in fact 185 points, the same it was in IAV7. I think considering his stats, this is not a bad price point.

EDIT: the new FW newsletter says the same.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11.html

Buzzgob is a nice miniature, not an OMGNICE one, but maybe on par with Hector Rex + Retinue. The two dreadnoughts are impressive sculpts, as is true for most of FW's dreadnought range. On the minus side, the Wolves one kinda feels like it'd need custom arms to look right, the stock ones' shoulders are a bit plain compared to the torso plate.

The wolves one is SICK with it! haha yeah maybe needs custom arms.

Arms are a definite need for the SW Dread. Still going to have me ordering one.

I am also glad that Mamon is just 185, he is going in my Daemons army.

I'm a little disappointed in the dead space on the Ravenguard dread. And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.

Hmm... just noticed that.

Unfortunate is an understatement.

What's unfortunate about it?

It's a Marine battle honor, last I remember.

Kanluwen wrote:What's unfortunate about it?

It's a Marine battle honor, last I remember.

Have to agree, looks good to me!

I'm ordering one as soon as they're available, as I'm not sure I trust a FW pre-order this far in advance.

Unless someone can convince me otherwise that it would be OK/the smart thing to do?

Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.

...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?

The Dreadnote wrote:

Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.

...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?

Probably too bland, too Ultra like or too festooned with avian skulls.

BrookM wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:

Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.

...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?

Probably too bland, too Ultra like or too festooned with avian skulls.

It is, quite happily, none of those things.

Still, it wouldn't be normal if some hate wasn't sprinkled on it, even if just a little bit...