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Back to topic... I WANT DE WYCHES DAG NABBIT!!

Daemon-Archon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units.

See Codex: Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines (Sorry if I accidentially left you out)

Impgaurd - Witch hunters - Deamonhunters
Chimera Entries seem duplicate As is Inquisitor Lord

WH, DH, SM, BA, DA, SW, BT, CSM - Rhino

SM, BA, DA, BT - Assault Terminators

"" "" - Dreadnaught

"" "" - Land Raider Crusader

GW loves overlap, it means more people will buy the same thing, for different armies... So I guess the only real thing I have to say about GW and "Not allowing Duplicate Entries" is "Huh?!?"

Are those entries identical? NO. SM, CSM, BT Dreads all have different options. IIRC, CSM Dreads have the "Crazed" rule...

Harlequins would be analogous to Legion of the Damned in the C: SM book, and I don't recall seeing them in SW, nor rumored for BA.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Daemon-Archon wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units.

See Codex: Imperial Guard, Witch Hunters, Daemonhunters, Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines (Sorry if I accidentially left you out)

Impgaurd - Witch hunters - Deamonhunters
Chimera Entries seem duplicate As is Inquisitor Lord

WH, DH, SM, BA, DA, SW, BT, *CSM - Rhino

SM, BA, DA, BT - Assault Terminators

"" "" - Dreadnaught

"" "" - Land Raider Crusader

GW loves overlap, it means more people will buy the same thing, for different armies... So I guess the only real thing I have to say about GW and "Not allowing Duplicate Entries" is "Huh?!?"

Are those entries identical? NO. YES

SM, CSM*, BT** Dreads all have different options. IIRC, CSM Dreads have the "Crazed" rule...

* I Didnt say Chaos Dreadnaughts were the same as SM dreadnaughts for a reason.

** They were the same, up untill SM went 5th edition and BT have not been updated. They will more then likely be the same post BT 5th (Mainly because BT are using OOOOOOOOLD rules)

I also went ahead and crossed off CSM rhinos as CSM have the option of Daemonic Possion and Havok launchers.

Also Might as well change the LRC

LRC for SM + BA is the same but diff then the LRC for BT + DA (BT + DA uses old PotMS aka BS2)

Harleys could easily be in both, have them in either entry and then simply place a "Special Rule" in the other respective codex saying (for example) any Dark Eldar Cabal (wyches Probably wouldnt get harleys) may include a squad of Harliquins as an Elites Choice.

Or hell, they might even do what Codex: Chaos Daemons did and add them as a unique unit with the same name and remarkably similar abilities (small subtle differences CCD vs CSM being Gifts instead of Spells)

But truth be told, I really wouldnt care either way, as far as I'm concerned, the Harleys are a joke compared to my archon-retinue. I'm just hoping for a Talos Redo, ravager Xports, and Scourges to go to their Fast Attack choice where they belong (or elites if made relentless with Incubi Armor: 3+).

If you need to split hairs to call a Rhino with OCE, a Rhino with twin Bolters vs Storm Bolter, and Rhinoes with different point costs and upgrade options the same, I guess every MEQ is identical for the purposes of your argument.

Guess this thread will get locked within another page then?

Mick A wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Mick A wrote:Has anyone considered the possibility that both Dark Eldar and the Inquisition are being dropped?

I strongly doubt this would increase profits for shareholders.

Just trying to think like GW are lately.

Sales of Dark Eldar and Inquisition figures can't be that great these days compared to the more mainstream armies so its probably better to stop producing them altogether which will mean players of these armies are likely to start a new army that has plenty of support. This means they will not need to invest more money in either carrying on producing the current figures which are not selling well or producing new figures and molds which does increase shareholder profits.

I personally hope this isn't true but you can never tell with GW these days...

Mick

Or, by re-doing the models and codex, and attracting more players to that army , they will increase in sales... Spend money to make money ? .. anyway, I really want new DE or even Necrons

JohnHwangDD wrote:If you need to split hairs to call a Rhino with OCE, a Rhino with twin Bolters vs Storm Bolter, and Rhinoes with different point costs and upgrade options the same, I guess every MEQ is identical for the purposes of your argument.

Grey hunters have some very unique wargear choices

DA/BA/DH/ALL SM but SW can't take Wolf Priests

Wolf Gaurd in itself is a totally unique unit

CSM has a ton of uniqueness (aka troops with 4+ invul or T5 FnP)

No, I'm not arguing that all Meq are identicle, just that there is such thing as an Identical entry. so that something can be used in two different armies...

Much like..........

Demolisher Cannon/Battle Cannon from pretty much any army of the Imperium is used by the greatest and truest enemy of that same Imperium, the Chaos Space Mareines have the same statline.

Sorry if I seem like I am splitting hairs, but I had rectify the point of an absolute (i.e. "But current GW design wouldn't allow strict duplication of units" instead of "GW design PROBABLY) .

Again, sorry, but my own philosophy of "There is no such thing as an absolute!" got the better of me.

I've wanted a DE army since they first came out in 3rd Ed, but the models are sooooooo bad. But everything I've heard about the updates sounds really cool from a model perspective (we'll see about the rules) that I'll strongly consider them if/when they come out. If it's late this year, early next, fine. I might actually have my 200+ ork models painted by then.

The dark elder don’t sell well because the models are crap but there’s still a lot of interest out there. I’ve never collected a xenos army before but if they live up to the revamped image in liber chaotica and the 5th edition rule book then I’m sure I’ll pick up a small raider force

@Daemon-Archon: OK, I was getting a bit confused, sorry about that. Your point is fine, as clarified, and I probably should have been a bit clear in my earlier comment before we both started down toward the deep end. It's all good.

Fremen wrote:I won`t care if the new DE dex has a few pages about eldars... I just want to touch it.

Wow... three posts and allready winning threads!!!!

GG

You know, I was never that fussed with Dark Eldar. But despite having no releases for 10 years, they've kind of grown as part of the background. I particularly enjoyed playing them in Soulstorm, where their character really came out. I won't collect them, but I still desperately want to see a Codex that does them justice.

Nothing you say is going to contribute, Noffasse.


Edited by Waaagh_Gonads

This thread has gone far enough off-topic.