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LunaHound wrote:They'll probably DROP Dark Eldar ,
and rename them into some sort of Eldar Pirate / Rogues.

Like... something dunno....

BS

As for Dark Eldar i'll believe it when i see it.

@Dashofpepper: I'll wager you and I have a better chance of meeting IRL, playing our tired old DE and Sisters maybe even both armies ALL PAINTED!) against one another, and having a rousing game of Space Hulk 4th Ed before we'll see a new DE or Inq Codex in 2010--or at least both, as I mentioned earlier.

Look at it this way, does it sound right that GW are saying to people 'dont buy our product as we have new stuff coming out later this year...'

Mick

I've got a feeling it's got more to do with the new battle missions coming out soon.

Manchu wrote:There is no indication that they've been a drain on GW in all this time so there's no reason to think that they've suddenly become one.

Exactly. Something you don't support can't ever be a 'drain'. The holding pattern these armies are in is probably quite managable as it only requires that they produce a few more casts whenever supplies run low, which I can only assume doesn't happen that often.

Manchu wrote:I would also question your logic that lack of support would make people playing either DE or Inq switch armies in 2009 after this long.

Yeah. Anyone who's suffered this long with an army isn't just going to up and give up this year for no good reason.

Manchu wrote:Even a GW hater can't assume they're that stupid. (That's your cue, HBMC.)

I prefer to think of them as good intentioned morons.

Ok just here this out, I know it might sound nuts but just hear this out.

There are so far three not so hot selling armies (DE, DH, and WH) there is a strong rumor that the DH and WH are going to be in one dex one last chance to prove themselves from an economic stand point.

Then you have a third that has had all it models re-done HUGE investment on GWs part one way to lower risk in loseing money on that investment would be to pair it with good selling army here comes DE/Eldar combo dex or at least make just a few of the models avlible to Eldar in a new sperate codex. I would not be at all schockted to see them come out as one, two simultaneous, or two one right after the other.

And to all those who have seen these new DE models I am not asking for details or pictuers and some might be under a NDA but do they any of them look kinda too much like Eldar to be DE?

Just a thought.

And on a side note I don't plan on ever playing either army but here is for the best on both Eldar and DE.

Mick A wrote:Look at it this way, does it sound right that GW are saying to people 'dont buy our product as we have new stuff coming out later this year...'

Mick

Honestly mate I can't speak to what GW has told anybody. But I can speak to having heard that some other distributor told some other customer this same thing some time ago--to no avail. (Dashofpepper, you've managed to get a lot of DE since then, right?) W_G says the minis are done so it may yet happen. I'm not holding my breath for 2010 (we haven't even had a DA or BT book yet, after all) on this one but I don't have any "sources," either, so I'll just say this much. DE, Inq, and Necrons are always getting talked about and never getting done.

Done could just mean the CAD files are done, but they haven't yet started machining the moulds.

He said Dakkites had handled (*edit* some of) them. (Sounds dirty.)

There will be no new Eldar/Dark Eldar(combined) codex at least until 6th. Eldar already have a 5th codex IIRC

Has anyone said anything about a combined codex? I don't recall that being a part of the conversation... And no, eldar do not have a 5th ed. codex. The most current is from the beginning of 4th I believe.

Dashofpepper wrote:I'm not for or against Dark Eldar coming out. I like them the way they are just fine.

I just found it odd that places aren't stocking Dark Eldar, and GW isn't shipping Dark Eldar to stores, and that multiple trade reps are telling FLGS owners not to fill the orders because there's new stuff coming.

Yeah, that boggles the mind more than anything else. GW doesn't want to sell a product to a potential customer? That's a dangerous indication that there may be a glimmer of humanity inside their dark, coal-like hearts!

I posted this back in December.

DE: All new kits
Those seen/handled by forum members)

Warriors: Gone are the long legs and tiny bodies. Segmented armour and helmet just like the 40k main rulebook.

Wyches - Imagine a dominatrix in head to toe PVC with one long ponytail.

New Raider: A cross between the pic in the 40k main rulebook and the sand skiff used in Return Of The Jedi.


Those are the ones I remember, I can't remember what the hellions were described as looking like, but the board is significantly changed.

As some mentioned before, if they rename DE something like 'Space Pirates' imagine the possibility of converting a SoB into some chick in Chazo Armor :O special character to use vs the army!

Eldar already have a 5th codex IIRC

Wrong, matey. The space elves were a 4th ed codex, and a dominating one at that.

I have heard the dual codex many times and wouldn't mind it myself. It has happened in the past, as most know, with DA/BA in 2nd ed. That was the Angels of Death Codex and my very first GW codex! It worked fine, but I would prefer two separate codex as that would mean more background material and pictures and such for each army.

I doubt the armies will be dropped. Inquisition armies are not that uncommon, and as they can be included in other Imperial armies, they sell pretty well in small chunks. Most IG players I know own some of the DH or WH range. If they were to release the armies in plastic, they would sell like hot cakes, IMO. Great background, beautiful models, just expensive and in metal, which is a PITA to work with.

As has been said, people on this forum have seen the DE models. From what I understand it is just now a matter of finding the right time to release everything.

I can't wait for a new DE range or for new Crons and Inq. If we get all three over the next two years, that would be super cool. I would get at least one of those armies with certainty.

Is this a thread for sniping after MODs warn not to, or not? If not, why are certain people granted exception to ignore the warning?

Anyhow, as usual, I'll beleive it when I see it.

44 posts before his first appearance. I think he's off his game today.

Reecius wrote:Wrong, matey. The space elves were a 4th ed codex, and a dominating one at that.

I don't know why people keep saying that Eldar already have a 5th Ed Codex. Sure, it was the first to be written in the God-awful current style of putting fluff and some rules, then armoury/wargear with heaps of gaps, and then finally an army list in there as well, necessitating needless page turning, but that doesn't mean it was written for a future rule set. I think only Daemons (and maybe Orks) mentioned rules not yet in print when they come out, making either one of them (or both) the first true 5th Ed Codices.

Reecius wrote:I have heard the dual codex many times and wouldn't mind it myself. It has happened in the past, as most know, with DA/BA in 2nd ed.

What is more likely is a rapid release, one following the other, in the same way TV programmers put two shows together in the hope that the audience from one popular show will boost those of the next. A Dark Eldar re-release is a big monetary investment, so it hype would have to be generated for it (rather than doing what GW usually does with their rampant paranoiac secrecy). Redoing Eldar and then a month or two later doing Dark Eldar would put them in a big block of "Eldar", and I can imagine it being very popular (and annoy Fantasy players - so a new Wood Elf book should follow! ).

Reecius wrote:...and as they can be included in other Imperial armies, they sell pretty well in small chunks.

Do you think those rules will stay intact in a re-release?

Reecius wrote:Most IG players I know own some of the DH or WH range.

I'd even go so far as to say those with big Inquisitorial armies often had those armies start as a small allied contingent. I know I sure did.

And Necrons are a different story altogether...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Redoing Eldar and then a month or two later doing Dark Eldar would put them in a big block of "Eldar", and I can imagine it being very popular (and annoy Fantasy players - so a new Wood Elf book should follow! ).

You're hired.

Do you think those rules will stay intact in a re-release?

I hope so but given the trend of things being codex contained and simplified, I would have to say no. I remain ever optimistic though! Haha, which is why GW lets me down!

I'd even go so far as to say those with big Inquisitorial armies often had those armies start as a small allied contingent. I know I sure did.

Yeah, I agree. My inquisitorial model collection grows frequently because the models are so cool, and it is an easy impulse buy to pick one up and makes for a nice change of pace to paint up a single model or two in a new scheme.

It is a brilliant idea to do, and if they could just balance out allies, which admittedly is really hard to do, they could easily do it with chaos which would be awesome. Having real daemons and cultists in Chaos armies would be so cool. Too bad that won't be happening anytime soon.

See threads like this only show me that people are not familiar with the background of this game they claim to love.

From Rogue Trader, through the Craftworld Eldar who appeared in WD, to 2nd edition, to 3rd, to 4th GW has always been crystal clear on one point.

The Eldar are a dying race.

The next eldar codex will therefore only allow wraith guard and wraithlords.

Given how allies rules are generally anti-competitive, I'd wager GW will keep them.

That said, let me reiterate the opinion that Sisters ought to go back to having their own book.

Manchu wrote:Given how allies rules are generally anti-competitive, I'd wager GW will keep them.

That said, let me reiterate the opinion that Sisters ought to go back to having their own book.

Adeptus Mech are ahead of them on line.

And the Squats ahead of both.

In your imaginary world ("No More Marines Land") anything is possible, K_K.

Given how allies rules are generally anti-competitive

Huh? They tend to break the rules, which is why the are slowly being phased out. You can do all kinds of crazy gak with allies, and they are a big force multipliers in armies like IG.

And Kyoto would be happy with nothing but the most obscure codexes possible!

@Reecius: That's exactly what I was referring to (on both counts).

Reecius wrote:And Kyoto would be happy with nothing but the most obscure codexes possible!

He hates Marines. He hates Eldar (in all its forms). He makes fun of dead races. He makes fun of current races. One wonders what he likes about 40K?

H.B.M.C. wrote:44 posts before his first appearance. I think he's off his game today.

Reecius wrote:Wrong, matey. The space elves were a 4th ed codex, and a dominating one at that.

I don't know why people keep saying that Eldar already have a 5th Ed Codex. Sure, it was the first to be written in the God-awful current style of putting fluff and some rules, then armoury/wargear with heaps of gaps, and then finally an army list in there as well, necessitating needless page turning, but that doesn't mean it was written for a future rule set. I think only Daemons (and maybe Orks) mentioned rules not yet in print when they come out, making either one of them (or both) the first true 5th Ed Codices.

Eternal Warrior.

That was the one.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I posted this back in December.

DE: All new kits
Those seen/handled by forum members)

Warriors: Gone are the long legs and tiny bodies. Segmented armour and helmet just like the 40k main rulebook.

Wyches - Imagine a dominatrix in head to toe PVC with one long ponytail.

New Raider: A cross between the pic in the 40k main rulebook and the sand skiff used in Return Of The Jedi.


Those are the ones I remember, I can't remember what the hellions were described as looking like, but the board is significantly changed.

That all sounds pretty tasty, I look forward to seeing this stuff one day.

Just wanted to add something odd...

I have played DE since 2004 and have never seen a box with 5 Inccubi. but now they have a Retinue box with 5 Inccubi in the online store.

also check the fast attack section and related products. there are two without a real picture and with a wrong price.
on the german webside, there are not named.

funny aye?