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Grot 6 wrote:-My Fantasy box set, 40K box set, each and every spinoff game every book, every download, and each and every codex's mention NOTHING about dice applications. They are not part of the game.

Do they mention anything beyond the included dice (generally considered somewhat less-than-great) and the red measuring sticks (that are incredibly inaccurate)?

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:I rolls statistically accurately 100% of the time. There is no odd rolls made by the app such as rolling five 1s in a single dice throw.

This doesn't make sense. What's "statistically accurate" when it's at home? If it can't roll five 1s then the programme is deliberatly skewed to only produce results within a certain margin of probability, and outlying results are excluded. That simply doesn't reflect reality and is one good reason why you should use proper dice.

Computer programmes can't be genuinely random, they are only pseudorandom and rely on an algorithm to give the effect of being random. I've always thought of rolling dice as being an exciting part of the game so why anyone would want to do away with them is beyond me.

I concur. This is bad for four reasons.

1. The opportunity to cheat is legion.

2. It removes a pesonal element from the game, you roll the dice yourself and face the consequences.

3. Random number routines do have an averaging element, this will favour some units, you need to account for the string of ones or sixes that give outside odds opponents a chance.

4. Also if you do have a Bloodthirster fluff all his attacks because the computer says so, you are likely to get arguments. Extreme dice rolls require the rolling of dice. When a Fire Warrior roughs up a Space Marine Chaplain its ok because the dice went one way and not the other, you see it you accept it and such long odds wins become much of the enjoyment of the game.

Personally, I wouldn't use one just because I'd rather not deal with anyone having that thought in the back of their head that I might have been cheating with it.

Of course, I'm also the sort who throws any new dice I have a few hundred times to make sure they're fair before using them, so I might be a bit of an outlier.

I'm with the dice rollers. While they may be "accurate" dice rolling applications take the fun of rolling a massive pile of dice with a horde army. Yes it takes longer but if your rushing a game of 40k your probably missing some of the fun anyway. That and you cant special order really cool looking dice to be even more unique on the table. And to the people who think you cant get a string of 1's on a programmed roller think again. Im the only person in my guild on World of Warcraft who has rolled 5 1's in a row on a 1 to 100 scale. Unfortunately that luck follows me to the table. ing dice.

Personaly I would not use one, I like my dice. Also I would not care if the person I was playing used one. If the person is going to cheat, they are going to cheat. Whether they use some loaded dice or hacked the dice application. I feel that useing a dice roller app. takes the luck out of the game. The dice god does not favor the dice rolling app, nor does he bless them.

I should say this again, I suppose; I don't particularly like using a die roller, because I think the 'feel' of WHFB or WH40K is better when you roll real dice. That said, I don't have a problem with somebody using a die roller, I realize that it is just a tool to speed things along. I wouldn't use one myself, I love bringing cool dice to games too much. (My black marble casino dice are awesome!)

TakeABow wrote:I should say this again, I suppose; I don't particularly like using a die roller, because I think the 'feel' of WHFB or WH40K is better when you roll real dice. That said, I don't have a problem with somebody using a die roller, I realize that it is just a tool to speed things along. I wouldn't use one myself, I love bringing cool dice to games too much. (My black marble casino dice are awesome!)

Nice! I was thinking of picking up a set of obsidian dice my FLGS got a hold of but it's pretty expensive...

My friend bought their copper dice set for dnd though. Loud, heavy, makes the tableshake, but they are awsome.

I think the dice rolling aps take away from the fun of the game itself. It's a tabletop game, but I've seen games de-railed because people have to stop to consult online faqs, pdf codex, or that "one guy that said you can do X thing on Y forum" I can see the usefulness of the app, but overall I think such things ruin the spirit of the game.

Shake the dice and hold your breathe as you pray to the All Father for another pair of sixes

Forget it.

You don't even want to have a conversation when you just arbitrarily just trash my post and cast it off as a rant.

Thanks for nothing.


If you think thats how you get a point across, think again.









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TakeABow wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:"IMO someone refusing to play with someone because of a dice app is just ruining someone's fun for no real reason. Which brings me to this point: everyone who screams "cheater" at the first sign of a cell phone really really needs to get their priorities together and realise their little plastic men are not really fighting for the fate of the universe and that not every game is a tournament game (unless all you play is tournaments of course :p ) "


Are you serious? Tell me that you are joking.

I honestly do not understand your opinion.

[rant]

Aren't you ruining MY fun?

RANT

It strikes me that a dice roller app would take something away from the game, but it would really speed things up.

As for cheating with it, it wouldn't be so bad if the code were transparent.

Here's a quick google doc sheet I made up that can roll 100 dice and show you the results:

You'll need to have a Google account and choose file > make a copy before you can edit or use it.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tpfRjnDG7LkP55_RswV5-6A&hl=en

Change the number in B1 to the number of dice you want to roll then refer to the table on the right for the results.

ehh Dice rolling apps take the fun away from the game. I mean seriously with an app there is no cocked dice or dice being thrown off a table on accident by my younger brother......I mean without that....where do I get an excuse to pimp slap the shizzit outta him during a game???

Grot 6 wrote:Forget it.

You don't even want to have a conversation when you just arbitrarily just trash my post and cast it off as a rant.

Thanks for nothing.


If you think thats how you get a point across, think again.

Wait so that whole time you were just trying to have a friendly conversation? Sorry but I must have missed that.

I was confused by these:

Roll the darn dice, call it a day. Some tool that would go to that extreme would just as soon play the game on a computer, because the minis are too inconvenient to buy.

Mini games aren't for you, then. go play checkers.

It's bad enough that we have to even put up with people pulling out thier cell phones to talk to some other fool on the other end about absolutly nothing mid turn,

The third alternative comes with a face full of fist, your device being thrown at the nearest wall and impending violence and doom.

Thats what you get for thinking.

People who pull out cell phones at the table, tell you to "Hold on a minute, I gotta take this..." are committing party fouls and a BS flag is thrown on the play.
and in terms of interruption, its outright rude and they need thier chops busted for being inconsiderate and interrupting the game.
as a matter of fact, Mr or Miss Party Foul need to leave the stupid cell phone in the car and pay attention to the game at hand.

Honestly reading over your posts again I feel like you made no effort to have a civilized conversation. You call people who use apps tools right off the bat. Granted my first response post was a bit more harsh than I intended it to be but all you seem to be saying (over and over again) is that everyone should play the game the way you say. (Mainly refrencing your hate of people who play DnD... "creatively". and your constant insistence that if your not using dice you may as well not be playing).

Oh and I know your "thanks for nothing" post was directed at TakeABow, but I just thought I'd point some stuff out.

Let's be honest though. Your not going to make me change my opinion and I'm not going to change yours. So shall we just drop it?

I prefer scatter apps (no dice rolling, no animosity, you can place it close to the model.)

but for dice rolling.. it seems like a waste.

I mean, Can't you just buy a $13 dice cube? or two?

It's just stupid, I mean it's nice to play with a stat machine on the phone, but not an dice roller.

I think we're done here...