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Dronze wrote:
An international framework for anything just leads to an inefficient system.

Way to rehash the hackneyed anti-federalist position.

Dronze wrote:
A nationwide beauracacy is unwieldy enough as is, but that's where we need to look at. Financial regulation, environmental regulation, all of it. If countries would take responsability, we wouldn't have the issues we have now.

Globalization rhetoric following the denunciation of an international system?

Dronze wrote:
Everybody looks at these things like it's not their problem, and the blame all just goes adrift. If countries actually took up some of their own regulatory slack, as opposed to everone saying "let's all agree on one set of rules", we might actually see some progress, unlike what we saw at the disaster that was the copenhagen summit, and the jokes that are the UN and the Kyoto accord.

So...you want to drag an argument of economics into an argument of environmentalism? That's....odd.

dogma wrote:So...you want to drag an argument of economics into an argument of environmentalism? That's....odd.

But fun?

Not really. I grew tired of environmentalism in college. Not that I take a stance on global warming; I've simply grown tired of the debate. Well, sort of.

dogma wrote:Not really. I grew tired of environmentalism in college. Not that I take a stance on global warming; I've simply grown tired of the debate. Well, sort of.

It's a parallel track. international regulation between governments just doesn't work, since everyone wants everything THEIR way. I'm not even considering the potential or actual progress towards the goals of the agreements, merely the political mess they created.

Dronze wrote:
It's a parallel track. international regulation between governments just doesn't work, since everyone wants everything THEIR way. I'm not even considering the potential or actual progress towards the goals of the agreements, merely the political mess they created.

International regulation between governments frequently works (ICC, the UN, IAEA, etc.), at least so long as the negotiators understand power (they usually do).

In any case, there is no mess. No one cares about those agreements, or those issues. Its just electoral posturing, and a tiny bit of (option oriented) concern, made manifest across multiple states.

Dronze wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sure. It's not like she'd be worse than having One Big Ass Mistake, America.

Ooh, someone can spit racially rooted slogans...

I really don't see how it's racist. I mean, this is definitely a classic example of the "Obama Criticism Block."

Person A: "I don't think Obama is doing a good job."

Person B: "Racist!"

Dronze wrote:

dogma wrote:Not really. I grew tired of environmentalism in college. Not that I take a stance on global warming; I've simply grown tired of the debate. Well, sort of.

It's a parallel track. international regulation between governments just doesn't work, since everyone wants everything THEIR way. I'm not even considering the potential or actual progress towards the goals of the agreements, merely the political mess they created.

Here are some examples of multi-national regulation.

Maritime Law and Air Law
The Postal Service
Telecommunications
Science (SI units, etc.)
Passports and Customs Unions

I don't know how you can compare the efficiency of any of these systems with lack of international regulation. The modern world would not exist without them.

I think the real question here is would you bang it?

Discuss.

notprop wrote:I think the real question here is would you bang it?

Discuss.

Yes, I'd bang Palin...But I wouldn't be kind about it...

Hmmmm, I'm definitely in the yes camp too; but how many showers would you need to to have to wash that much right wing off of you?

Monster Rain wrote:I really don't see how it's racist. I mean, this is definitely a classic example of the "Obama Criticism Block."

Person A: "I don't think Obama is doing a good job."

Person B: "Racist!"

Left wing thought control and lock step hypocrisy at it's finest. The part about this that amuses me so is these Libs believe they are free thinkers and they are lemmings of the very worst sort in most cases. The more rabid one of these people are the more easily led they are.

If you disagree with them, you're stupid.

If you criticize their guy, you're racist or stupid or both.

If you espouse your views, you're inciting violence.
If they espouse their views they are spreading enlightenment to the masses.

If you criticize their views, you are spreading hate speech and intolerance.
If they criticise your views, they are patriots that are practicing the highest of American ideals.

If you have a peaceful assembly you are rabble rousing.
If they deface property and incite riots they are exercising free speech.

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notprop wrote:Hmmmm, I'm definitely in the yes camp too; but how many showers would you need to to have to wash that much right wing off of you?

There's an idea... do the nasty IN the shower...

I'd vote for Palin....in bed! Yea, sorry that doesn't make much sense...I'll leave those jokes to Steve Carrel.

I'm not a Republican or Democrat but as an American; Palin stands no chance of getting elected especially after resigning early and then pursuing a more lucrative career in the widely disrespected Fox News.

The ad campaigns against her would be staggering and on epic levels of deserved embarrassment.

The only people who would really benefit and enjoy from Palin being elected would be comedians

notprop wrote:I think the real question here is would you bang it?

Discuss.

She's hot and older, so yeah. Totally.

"I forgot my homework, Ms. Palin! Surely we can come to some sort of arrangement?"

Left wing thought control and lock step hypocrisy at it's finest. The part about this that amuses me so is these Libs believe they are free thinkers and they are lemmings of the very worst sort in most cases. The more rabid one of these people are the more easily led they are.

If you disagree with them, you're stupid.

If you criticize their guy, you're racist or stupid or both.

If you espouse your views, you're inciting violence.
If they espouse their views they are spreading enlightenment to the masses.

If you criticize their views, you are spreading hate speech and intolerance.
If they criticise your views, they are patriots that are practicing the highest of American ideals.

If you have a peaceful assembly you are rabble rousing.
If they deface property and incite riots they are exercising free speech.

Hah! Proclaiming the evils of the lefts blanket statements and hypocrisy by making hypocritical blanket statements! Clever!

Monster Rain wrote:"I forgot my homework, Ms. Palin! Surely we can come to some sort of arrangement?"

"I've been a bad boy and need a spanking........"

Monster Rain wrote:

Dronze wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sure. It's not like she'd be worse than having One Big Ass Mistake, America.

Ooh, someone can spit racially rooted slogans...

I really don't see how it's racist. I mean, this is definitely a classic example of the "Obama Criticism Block."

Person A: "I don't think Obama is doing a good job."

Person B: "Racist!"

Yeah, DD wasn't being racist there. There are plenty of things he was being, most of them I'm not allowed to say on this forum. But racist wasn't one of them.

dietrich wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:"I forgot my homework, Ms. Palin! Surely we can come to some sort of arrangement?"

"I've been a bad boy and need a spanking........"

ShumaGorath wrote:

Left wing thought control and lock step hypocrisy at it's finest. The part about this that amuses me so is these Libs believe they are free thinkers and they are lemmings of the very worst sort in most cases. The more rabid one of these people are the more easily led they are.

If you disagree with them, you're stupid.

If you criticize their guy, you're racist or stupid or both.

If you espouse your views, you're inciting violence.
If they espouse their views they are spreading enlightenment to the masses.

If you criticize their views, you are spreading hate speech and intolerance.
If they criticise your views, they are patriots that are practicing the highest of American ideals.

If you have a peaceful assembly you are rabble rousing.
If they deface property and incite riots they are exercising free speech.

Hah! Proclaiming the evils of the lefts blanket statements and hypocrisy by making hypocritical blanket statements! Clever!

I don't know... I think a lot of the comments made in this very thread kind of back up a few of those. The hatred of the woman is a bit over the top. Yeah, you can find Sarah Palin saying some goofy stuff but you can find clips of anyone saying stupid things if they're a public figure.

The hatred of the woman is a bit over the top.

No, it's really not. She was embroiled in multiple ethics scandals during her scant 2.5 years in her job (the one she quit after making an utter fool of herself in front of the nation). She is a neoconservative demagogue, who when pressed on every interview occasion has failed to deliver anything beyond simplistic populist talking points. She is a hypocrite of the worst kind, using her family in the media as a shield and proclaiming the values of being a government outsider who hates liberal spending after leaving Alaskan governance in the middle of an economic crisis to go work at a lucratively payed position on fox news and to push her book. Everyone says stupid things, but she is actually stupid. Or brilliant and greedy. She's turned what could well have been a one term governership (her popularity waned significantly in her home state after her failed campaign and a failure to significantly improve the states financial situation) into a million dollar a year enterprise.

I just died a little inside. I agree with Shuma.

dietrich wrote:I just died a little inside. I agree with Shuma.

Eventually everyone will. I'm right.

ShumaGorath wrote:

The hatred of the woman is a bit over the top.

No, it's really not. She was embroiled in multiple ethics scandals during her scant 2.5 years in her job (the one she quit after making an utter fool of herself in front of the nation). She is a neoconservative demagogue, who when pressed on every interview occasion has failed to deliver anything beyond simplistic populist talking points. She is a hypocrite of the worst kind, using her family in the media as a shield and proclaiming the values of being a government outsider who hates liberal spending after leaving Alaskan governance in the middle of an economic crisis to go work at a lucratively payed position on fox news and to push her book. Everyone says stupid things, but she is actually stupid. Or brilliant and greedy. She's turned what could well have been a one term governership (her popularity waned significantly in her home state after her failed campaign and a failure to significantly improve the states financial situation) into a million dollar a year enterprise.

Gee whiz, I didn't realize she was the only dishonest politician...

The fact that other politicians don't get a pass for their behavior doesn't strike you as being somewhat hypocritical? Allegations against Obama are discarded out of hand as being the work of racist troglodytes while every crazy charge leveled at Sarah Palin is taken as gospel.

That said, I don't want her to be president, and she has no chance of being nominated. I'm a little annoyed at her for being an albatross around Johnny McCain's neck, and I think that he deserved to lose for trying to pick her and in so doing made me realize what a pandering hack he really is. Still though, it's interesting how much more of a hassle she seems to get than any other politician that I can think of off hand...

ShumaGorath wrote:Hah! Proclaiming the evils of the lefts blanket statements and hypocrisy by making hypocritical blanket statements! Clever!

I know you are trying to say something here, but all that comes through is farting noises.

Dronze wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Sure. It's not like she'd be worse than having One Big Ass Mistake, America.

Ooh, someone can spit racially rooted slogans...

Sorry, but Barak Obama isn't a miracle worker.

Excuse me? How is that at all racist? If you're going to play the race card, you'd damn well have an answer. Otherwise, you can stop with the blind defense and race carded responses.

Obama isn't a worker at all. As SNL clearly noted, he didn't do anything in the first year, much less pass the big push that he promised as part of his election platform. Not even Healthcare, which was supposed to be the centerpiece of his agenda. If he can't do any of that, what good is he?

ShumaGorath wrote:

dietrich wrote:I just died a little inside. I agree with Shuma.

Eventually everyone will. I'm right.

I always thought you were left........

Cane wrote:I'm not a Republican or Democrat but as an American; Palin stands no chance of getting elected especially after resigning early and then pursuing a more lucrative career in the widely disrespected Fox News.

The ad campaigns against her would be staggering and on epic levels of deserved embarrassment.

Perhaps.

But then, could the Republicans simply ape the Liberals by knee-jerking out the Woman Card to call anybody who doesn't support her a Sexist, Misogynist, woman-hater?

The Republicans would have to be idiots to nominate Palin. Most of the people who would vote for her will vote Republican no matter what. Most of the people who won't vote Republican no matter what won't vote for Palin.

I'm not particularly worried about her.

ShumaGorath wrote:Yeah, DD wasn't being racist there.

There are plenty of things he was being, most of them I'm not allowed to say on this forum. But racist wasn't one of them.

Thank you, Shuma.

It's OK, I'll even get you started: Facetious. Snarky. Smart-assed.

That said, in general, if you're taking my "political" postings any further than that, or reading anything further into them, you might want to have your humor meter checked...

Monster Rain wrote:
The fact that other politicians don't get a pass for their behavior doesn't strike you as being somewhat hypocritical? Allegations against Obama are discarded out of hand as being the work of racist troglodytes while every crazy charge leveled at Sarah Palin is taken as gospel.

Except they aren't always discarded as the work of racist troglodytes, often time they're discarded as illegitimate criticism for being untrue, or unlikely to be true.

To invert your point: often times criticism of Palin is discarded as the work of misogynists, and elitists.

Monster Rain wrote:
That said, I don't want her to be president, and she has no chance of being nominated. I'm a little annoyed at her for being an albatross around Johnny McCain's neck, and I think that he deserved to lose for trying to pick her and in so doing made me realize what a pandering hack he really is. Still though, it's interesting how much more of a hassle she seems to get than any other politician that I can think of off hand...

McCain was his own failing. If you can't manage a campaign, how are you going to manage a nation?

To paraphrase South Park, in an election, you have to choose between a Turd Sandwich and a Giant Douche because those are the only people who will suck up enough to get the nomination.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:Yeah, DD wasn't being racist there.

There are plenty of things he was being, most of them I'm not allowed to say on this forum. But racist wasn't one of them.

Thank you, Shuma.

It's OK, I'll even get you started: Facetious. Snarky. Smart-assed.

That said, in general, if you're taking my "political" postings any further than that, or reading anything further into them, you might want to have your humor meter checked...

Didin't say he was, but you can't tell me that that particular slogan, or anything along the same lines, wouldn't have come up if he was white. I was commenting on the slogan, itself, not the poster.