Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

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**sebster**

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Agreed! Hey, a mature and reasoned outcome!!!! GO SEBSTER AND M2C!!!

Yay!

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Now what do we do?

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Orkeosaurus wrote:The importance of never getting near it?

Let slip the dogs of war.

**Orkeosaurus**

Bah, they don't even have a real codex!

**youbedead**

JEB_Stuart wrote:
Wrexasaur wrote:Weren't there times in Roman history, when homosexual lifestyles were looked down upon? I was under the impression that it wasn't always considered acceptable, at least for certain periods of Roman history.
True enough, but the vast majority of Roman history displays at least a casual indifference to homosexuality.

mattyrm wrote:Sorry for the slow reply JEB, i tend to get leathered all weekend and i don't get much done.
No problem, I would expect nothing less.

mattyrm wrote:Why is homosexuality wrong then? You said you think it is wrong, but i just don't see it. What is a sensible reason for saying that it is wrong?
I have no answer that you would find reasonable, but my convictions are not measured along humanities standards. I have heard some argue that it is unnatural, but these are usually Darwinists in the extreme. I believe it is wrong for religious reasons, but that doesn't make me a homophobe. I have gay friends, but that is their choice. As St. Paul wrote, "Judge not the unbelievers for they have already been judged by God." So in my mind, I don't need to push morality down someone else's throat because that is none of my business. I don't HAVE to like their lifestyle, but on the same token I WON'T tell them how to live their lifestyle. I am not afraid to share my opinion, but on the same token, I don't feel the need to rationalize it to meet man's approval.

See your one of the sensib;e one's. You can hate something as much as you want yet you leave the judgment to god, and i applaud you for it.

**BrookM**

We failed. But please do grind that knife in a bit further, we haven't forgotten about it. That general is just trying to poke a finger at something to draw attention to his own personal crusade, removal of gays in the US armed forces.

**Orkeosaurus**

Hahaha, in your face Dutchland! America wins yet another war!

**Ratbarf**

Actually we did use this to riff on my Dutch friend, we would frequently have arguments over which country has the better military history, the Netherlands or Britain, and this thing always came up. He would get really angry and storm off for a while to calm down...

**Albatross**

Ratbarf wrote:Actually we did use this to riff on my Dutch friend, we would frequently have arguments over which country has the better military history, the Netherlands or Britain

WHAT?!!? You actually had an argument about that? There is absolutely no contest. The Dutch have a fairly poor military history compared to us.

**Orkeosaurus**

The United States of America was pretty powerful too, back when it existed.

We'll have to see how the Communist States of Obama and its squadrons of Death Panels do by comparison.

**Ratbarf**

You should go check out Dutch history, they actually got some pretty good stuff back in the day. They sailed up the Tames and burned the English fleet at port in the 17th century, that takes some balls. Or maybe just massive amounts of weed.

**notprop**

/\ I thought that was @ Chatham not the Thames?

They were also quite handy killing allot of Merc Frenchies in Ireland when doing a bit of private work for King Chrles about three hundred years ago.

Not sure but some people still go on about it in Northern Ireland these days.

**Ratbarf**

I thought they burned the fleet in or near London? Its been a while since we had this argument, he moved to kingston and became a drug dealer.

And go William of Orange! Woot Woot Woot!

**Kilkrazy**

Chatham is on the Medway.

After that raid, fortresses were built on both sides of the Thames which had a great chain strung between them. This was wound up tight to block the river when there was danger of an attack.

**Albatross**

Ratbarf wrote:You should go check out Dutch history, they actually got some pretty good stuff back in the day. They sailed up the Tames and burned the English fleet at port in the 17th century, that takes some balls. Or maybe just massive amounts of weed.

Yeah, I'm not saying they were totally useless or anything - but their record just doesn't stand up to ours. Not many people's does - that's Britain: good at war, terrible at cooking!

**Ian Sturrock**

Apparently these days British home cooking has improved (a recent study suggested that the average British home cook spends longer preparing meals & does a more diverse range of meals than the average French home cook).

We're great at queueing, too!

In these civilised days, though, "good at war" can be a drawback, as a wander through any council estate or football match can show.

**Albatross**

Yeah, I blame Jamie Oliver. I actually like Sheperd's Pie and other such stodge!

**IvanTih**

Beign gay has nothing with the massarce that happened at Srebrenica which is located some 400km from my home.Serbs were idiots who blindly followed orders form Milošević.

**Ratbarf**

Yes but the Dutch didn't stop them, and they apparently didn't do so because several of them were gay.

Or so says this American General.

**Albatross**

...because gay people are known for their love of ethnic cleansing, or...?

**Ratbarf**

I do believe thats what the entire thread was about?

**Albatross**

You're thinking of 'anal cleansing'.

It's an easy mistake to make.

**Orkeosaurus**

I mixed those two up once. Hitler was pissed.

**Albatross**

**yani**

Damm and we were doing so well. 4 pages in and Goodwin's law had yet to be invoked.

And its so obvious that a having gay squad mates decreases morale. I mean look at the Spartans and their 'Warrior bond'. They ran away 'all' the time. (/sarcasm)

**Emperors Faithful**

Actually, were any of the Dutch soldiers gay at all?

(What I mean is, has the general somehow gone around and asked...or something.)

**Ratbarf**

He said he was told by a Dutch General who I think was some kind of Commander in that affair.

**Albatross**

Come on, they're DUTCH - some of them are BOUND to be gay!

Just kidding Nederlanders, love you guys really!

**Ratbarf**

Come on, they're DUTCH - some of them are BOUND to be high!

Fixed your post.

**sebster**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, were any of the Dutch soldiers gay at all?
(What I mean is, has the general somehow gone around and asked...or something.)

The Dutch deployment was their first after reforms of their military, which included contraversial new policies such as allowing gay soldiers. So from there anyone who's looking for evidence that gay people ruin armies will look at the timing of the events, run it through an underpants gnome filter and come out with the conclusion that the reason the Dutch didn't fight was that they were sad because some of their comerades were gay.

**Emperors Faithful**

So what is the likelihood that a good portion of the 200 to 400 Dutch soldiers were gay? Or is thw General arguing that they were sad that gays were allowed in at all?

**Frazzled**

He was wrong, it wasn't that they were gay. Its that they were all wearing wooden shoes and no one would take the seriously, like Al Gore.

One of their troopers before deployement. Note the old school camo pattern military blouse.