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Great Stuff man, don't worry about VERY MINOR dips in interest. It's nothing. Threads like this can keep going for ages,as I've said, this thread has pretty much everything!

I agree with Corvus that Immortals are good, however I'd say 2x10 is a bit much, especially for your wallet. Heavy Destroyers or another lith would be a good investment too though. I can thoroughly understand you not playing your XO until your army's been beefed up, I'd say it's because of the amount of (heavy) armour he has compared to your anti-tank abilities, which should be sorted with the Night Bringer.

Keep it up.

I've found that I always have much better luck making a vehicle combat-ineffective with my warriors/immortals than I do with any anti-tank units the necrons have to offer. Mainly through sheer volume of fire and auto-glance on 6.

Granted, I know that has to do with luck of the dice as well, but I'd rather take 20+ shots and almost guarantee a glance or two rather than 3 shots with the same chance to hit and a better chance to pen. But that's just me I guess, it's just been more effective that way for me.

I like seeing the enthusiasm of new players posted up like this.. I remember when the hobby was new and exciting and everything was too cool.

Keep posting, this is a good and fun read

Hey guys!

A shipment of mail came in today and XO and Kehrer got new units in. Everyone's been spending the last few days painting (or not being around too much ). Erickson is done painting nearly all of his models, and is planning on buying a great deal more. More troops to be more flexible with his FOC and more vehicles because IG troops are nearly worthless. The XO picked up the new Sanguinor and the Blood Angels codex, and he got a scout team and a devastator squad. It's looking like he's been doing a homebrewed chapter with Blood Angels rules. Kehrer got a Hammerhead Gunship and two Sniper Drone teams.

The PX got a new shipment of books in today, and there were actually quite a few Sci-fi and fantasy books! Among the whole Forgotten Realms and Warcraft books, there were quite a few 40K books as well! Between the two of us we got one copy of every book they had available. I myself got 4 books in the Horus Heresy series, as well as Angels of Darkness and Ice Guards. XO got Cain's Last Stand, Dawn of War II (novel), and a handful of others. 12 total books between the two of us. I'd better get to reading!

Sorry if I jumped the gun on expectations from posters in the forum. I'm a pretty spazzy guy.

Since several people have new units in, and the XO and I are on game hiatus until we get some more breathing room in army flexibility, we again spent the entire evening painting. I took some pictures I thought you guys might like. Some might be a bit blurry - I'm no photographer.



You can see here where I let the Green Stuff dry to fill in cracks in my monolith's corners. They haven't been shaped down yet. Green stuff can be kind of rebellious to work with, particularly in small areas, but when it dries, it's just like plastic. Just be careful when trying to spread or scrape the stuff when it's still wet, because it will tend to smear and is tough to get off of surfaces (including fingers) if it's a layer thinner than paper. The only issue I have with it is that it's no JB Weld and does not have much adhesive properties once dry.



After attempting to file the rough surface of the Green Stuff filler, I realized it would take quite some time and I ran the risk of doing damage to the body and applying the file unevenly. You can see here where I accidentally filed some of the paint off. I instead decided to try to see if I could use a hobby knife to shave it even, and oddly enough, it worked out just fine. Except for one corner, where I accidentally cut too deep and it ended up peeling a large section of the green stuff I applied off of the model. Again with the non-adhesive part. But I wasn't too worried. Come to find out, Green Stuff, even GW's brand, goes a long way and considering how little you need to do a lot, it's not that expensive. I try not to hand out all of my tools to everyone else because I know they'll go missing (like they have before), but I volunteered to let anyone who wanted to try to use a little green stuff I had left over for altering their models - which is something Erickson and Kehrer love to do.



Here I painted over the surface. Unfortunately, my black basecoat paint is a bit glossier than the spraypaint I used to basecoat the vehicle so it will stand out a little. I will have to apply the regular paint over a lot of the surface to give it an even tint. But you can see here how green stuff can be used to fill gaping cracks in a model and make it look respectable.



Here is my Nightbringer thus far. Actually, I've done a lot of work on it since this and the following picture were taken, but you get the idea of where I'm going with it from this photo. A lot of my painting time was spent trying to even up jagged paint edges and try to fix small errors. It's highly time consuming and even more tedious than I had expected, but it can make a decent model look great. At least, from a newb's perspective. My only concern is that after enough corrections, the layers of paint from corrections will start to get so thick that the model starts to look a little rough. I'm actually starting to get that on the wrapping draping between it's legs, but I don't know if I want to go through with stripping it because I can barely notice it unless I touch it. I may have to get a q-tip with alcohol and try to get only that surface. I'm just dreading having to start from bare pewter on this thing again.



This photo was an accident but I like what it did, so I'm sharing it with you guys. You can see from my index finger that the Nightbringer's face is microscopic. Again strengthening my suspicions that the Nightbringer's box art are photoshopped. What the light did to here was show a glaring mess I missed with my naked eye. What I was attempting to capture was a rather acciental job on creating a fairly good "tongue"... The discolorations in varying shades of grey/black, and the white speckles from where a stray hair from my brush hit the wrong part of the face are rather obvious here.

Also, you probably can't see this, but I messed up the left side of his hood as you look at it while trying to clip off some weird deformation in it's neck. The clippers opened wide enough to catch the edge of the hood and pressed it closer to the face and carved a gap in it I plan on painting it as if it were a fold or wrinkle in the cloth, since that's all I can really do.

Honestly, from a casual onlooker, most of these things never come into view. Sure, larger models like my 'lith and Nightbringer tend to show small imperfections much easier, as you can see from the photos.

Other than praise for the current paintjob (which is a bit better than the pics you see here, but nowhere near done), the most common comment is that they thought the model would be bigger. Of course, some of these guys may be identifying what they know of the models from Dawn of War 1 and 2. I'm going to have to draw the line and realize that without years of practice and hundreds of dollars in tools, my models will never look Codex-picture quality, and I am going to learn how to gauge myself to figure out what is exceptional work considering my level of skill.

Kevin949 wrote:
I'd rather take 20+ shots and almost guarantee a glance or two rather than 3 shots with the same chance to hit and a better chance to pen.

I tend to lean with Kevin's opinion here. A full squad of necron troops at 2 shots apiece can almost always severely damage a vehicle in one turn. It's not as amazing as downing a vehicle in one shot with a particle whip, but it's an ability that shouldn't be overlooked. Particularly when fighting skimmers that crash when immobilized, your scarabs with disruptions fields and troops can do a fairly good job at dropping vehicles. With one squad of Heavy Destroyers, you only get three chances to even damage the vehicle, and if you don't have another squad nearby, the squad only needs three wounds (instead of a full Warrior Squad's 20) to be taken off the board.

I know a couple of you guys, Corvus included, tend to really talk up destroyers. Yes, they have their good speed and ability to easily wound and ignore all but the lowest armor saves. But they only have one wound apiece, they're fairly expensive, they're not game-winning unit, and it's MUCH harder to keep them alive in their small, spread-out squads. I do wonder if I'd be better off just putting more troops on the field around a res orb and just overwhelm the enemy in an enormous volume of fire and keep counting on that res orb and extra WBB rolls from the 'lith to curb my losses.

On that matter, let's talk about Immortals. Corvus and Dave, don't get me wrong - they're some seriously tough units. But I just don't see how they're going to do me any better against Terminators and power-weapon heavy armies (like I've been facing) than the respectably hardy Warriors. Their two shots at 24" and Assault weapon means that they can actually stand their ground in Melee, but is it worth the point cost? Would I not be better off spending the points on a full squad of Warriors or a monolith?

Let me know what you guys think. And let me know what you guys think is a good way to varnish my 'lith.


EDIT: Corvus, I'd love to see a pic of your 'lith. And Besring (If I spelled that right), I'll get pictures of the flayed ones up within a few days, I just need to brew my own gunmetal wit my metallic medium and get back to work on them. They're almost finished, they just need some errors fixed and then need to be varnished.

Really, if the dice are not favoring you, a H.Destroyer squad can be offed by one wound if you fail the leadership test and fly off the board, with 3d6 fall back it's not hard to do. :(

Also, immortals have proven themselves time and again in my games to be a very survivable and damaging unit. With a stronger weapon and higher toughness they are a GREAT entourage for your lord +res orb, especially since they don't get downed with no WBB by the prevalent str8/9 weapons in those same power weapon heavy armies like warriors will. They always pay for their points in one fashion or another and are almost always still full strength at game end. Again, just my experiences with them.

Immortals are most certainly worth the points. Think of them as a beefed-up Warrior squad. They can do all the same things as Warriors, only better. That 24" double tap can be a lifesaver if you are facing an assault oriented army. Unless it is something totally rediculous like Blood Angels with Sanguinary Priest spam, those extra long range Str 5 shots will put a nice dent in assaulting forces, whittling them down into something more managable for your Warriors.

Immortals aways kill my Landspeeder heavy Blood Angels. I would take them.

Really great stuff. The paint jobs are very well done. Keep up the great work!

Just a warning, your Nightbringer is going to be the target of every heavy weapon whenever it's on the table, and will likely be dropped within a turn or two, use that to your advantage! (And if, for whatever reason, it's NOT targeted, then just go kick some ass with it)

Ok guys, got a bit more work done on my models, and some pics to show. I've gotten through the first couple of chapters of Horus Rising and I'm enthralled.

I'm aching to get at another game, but the XO has been painting a lot recently, which isn't saying much because for better or worse, it takes him ages to complete a model. He is going a much better job than I expected him to, though. So I guess it pays off. Necrons, at least, most of them, are relatively easy to paint. In details like those of the Flayed Ones I'm beginning to wonder if I totally farked them up and should have expected more from myself. And there I go again with the expecting perfection when I know I'm a newb.

With the Nightbringer, it's gotten to the point that most errors I try to fix end up putting something wrong somewhere else. I am, however, getting better at the whole "thin line to highlight an edge" thing. A few of the lines on my Nightbringer are close to perfect. Most are not, though.



I've started gloss varnishing parts of the nightbringer I've had to call finished because I can't get more perfection out of it, and for some reason a few spots seem to shed paint spontaneously while I'm not looking. Most of the lower robes, and the lower wrappings, are varnished now. And I 'm not sure if I did it before or after the picture, but I varnished his chest as well.

The face is, honestly, about as good as I can expect to get it. Which honestly, I think isn't bad. Not perfect, but considering the skill level at where I started, I can see where I am improving at this.



Here you can see it in normal light. I had wondered if the blue was a bit too much but everyone else seems to love it, so I'm going to stick with it.



It would be hilarious if I had a model of Michael Jackson in Thriller garb attatched to this squad. Anyway, this kind of gives it a dark creepy feeling. I do like my Flayed ones, but most of them aren't totally finished yet, and they have a lot going on in their shape and detail, so much so that I easily mistook skin for metal, and metal for skin. I don't know if I'm willing to go through with ever making another squad, because they were truely a pain.




I'm at the point where if I need to bad enough, I'll stick the Nightbringer in it's base long enough to have a match against the XO. We may even do it tomorrow. I'm ready for some payback.

Thanks again to all of the guys who are shipping stuff over here to help us out. I've gotten another request for that today, and I just want to let you all know, I truly do appreciate it.

It was a short update today, I know. Most of us were busy. We're also trying to concoct a campaign (still) and coming out with a better way to document Batreps. I have a hardback blank book dedicated to that purpose, so hopefully I'll have some better content for you guys in the near future.


EDIT: Holy cow! I walk into the bunker to grab something I left in there, and at 1:15 in the morning and Erickson, Kehrer and Quinn are in there, and they made another table and built a bunch of scenery, to include a battlefield with short hills divided by a river with a bridge! I'll take pictures and post them tomorrow.

Flayed Ones look awesome really adds some grim dark to the army.

Some pretty nice armies there, and you have all of my respect for your service.

If you can, try and get/make some washes out there. Some careful washing would go a long way on just about any basically colored model!

I agree with Owain. mix up a red wash (enough paint and water to make it kinda soup runny) and hit the metal parts next to the flesh. I think that would really help with the look.

First, the obligatory thanks for serving our country.

Congratulations on the fully based and painted army. I have been playing for 3 years and have painted a scarce handful of models, I am mostly into playing the game, and the books etc.

I wish it was as easy as that to recruit my friends into 40k. Though I can see why it would get rather dull out there.

As far as the games go... good luck with your future endeavours. My earlier matches resulted poorly, though when I switched to more optimal choices... I lost sight of the hobby for the most part and ended up resenting myself for it... pitiful me.

Good thing that is going on out there, great hobby being played by better men. I just have one question:

-How did you get into 40k out there? Did another person suggest it from time back home, or was there some kind of ad on the internet? Just something I was wondering from the first post.

Yeah I was wondering the same thing as Syphonious. How'd you and your buddies all wind up getting involved with 40K? I need a few tips for when I deploy, you know? See if I can get a deployed 40K team going

Corvus wrote:Yeah I was wondering the same thing as Syphonious. How'd you and your buddies all wind up getting involved with 40K? I need a few tips for when I deploy, you know? See if I can get a deployed 40K team going

That unfortunately seems like a once in a lifetime sort of thing.

I bet he bribed 'em with candy, or extreme bordem forced them into it.

Any painting done is better than no painting done. There's several friends that are working on painting stuff and one that will probably never paint. Most people around here have the attitude of playing is better than painting. I have a hard time fielding unpainted stuff though. If you can paint the core units you start with and paint new units as you add them you will do very well. I had a burst of money to spend and have accumulated way too many models that aren't painted. Sounds like the hobby is spreading nicely and that those involved are going to stay involved.

If you have the big rule book there are some decent rules for campaigns. Pretty simple, which is what makes them useful. I have my planetary empires painted up except for 1 tile. Player fluctuations though have put the campaign on hold. Sounds like you have a player base that will be dedicated enough to stick with it though. I'd say start with a simple map campaign with a narrative to it. Map of cities and rivers and such. Narrative would obviously be reason behind the battle. The two combined would be a good start. I'm trying to start with a simple version of the campaign and then work my way up to a campaign with a set army list of 10k points that units lost are lost for the rest of the campaign. With a few replacement points here and there. If you do a campaign that lasts a month at a time that would probably work best. Short enough that people aren't devoting 6 months to. Long enough that people can get to enjoy the experience.

Well, I promised pictures of the terrain, and I got them. I also finished my Nightbringer! Everyone's been so busy working on their models, that we still haven't played a game, which is fine - either way they are enthusiastic and participating.



Here is something Erickson put together on our second table (if you want to call it that). The river is of course half done, but you can see the bridge and how they used sand and glue to give a "waves" appearance in the water. Right now he's using bits of sprue frames to make trees, but he's currently trying to figure out how to get "leaves" on them.



Kehrer put this together out of boredom. No new terrain, but I feel I should post it to show what the other guys besides me are doing. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the huge white building, because we'll have to come up with some special rules to get regular troops up on the very high balcony. There are no stairs, ladders, or elevators made on it.



And my Nightbringer, glossed over and done. Unfortunately the angle didn't catch a good view of what I settled on for his face, but you can see where I carved up bits of sprue tree and painted them like necron crystals. He's got a full gloss coat, except for the dirt in the base where the scarabs are, and I am considering keeping it that way. Speaking of which, the gloss varnish does an excellent job of protecting models. At least, the lighter weight ones. Our concrete floor is not very model friendly and something as heavy as a Nightbringer would probably break off a limb or bend it beyond repair, but a dropped flayed one bounce around a bit and was found untouched. EDIT: Actually I'm going to paint the base sand the same color as the dirt that the scarabs are springing out of. I just had to wait for the PVA glue to dry tonight.



Flayed ones shambling in a graveyard. I did some more work on these guys, but they're still not quite done. I'm at the stage now where I need to get them one at a time and correct all of the little errors before I varnish any more. I tend to lose track of which ones need which error fixed because they all look so similar and I forget which ones they are after I set them down.

Ringarin wrote:

I'd say start with a simple map campaign with a narrative to it. Map of cities and rivers and such. Narrative would obviously be reason behind the battle.

I'm not sure if I said this before, but there is an ongoing debate amongst the players on whether to go with one planet with multiple locations, or multiple planets in multiple systems with one board layout each. Kehrer hopped on photoshop and took a planet image from google search. I really like it. Frankly I think that many of the players would probably jump in on whatever is offered, but since most of us would rather paint and play matches than sit down and have a committee on what they agree or disagree on a 5-race campaign, the going is slow. I plan on getting it done... eventually.

Here is the result of Kehrer's work:



Though I'm not sure how we'd do a battle on an asteriod realistically, with Imperial Guard having a lack of environment suits.

Corvus wrote:

Yeah I was wondering the same thing as Syphonious. How'd you and your buddies all wind up getting involved with 40K? I need a few tips for when I deploy, you know? See if I can get a deployed 40K team going

Well, Erickson played a little bit back stateside, and had some of his unassembled models shipped over so that he could waste time painting them on his own, even without the game. The XO liked the Dawn of War game and the novels, so inspired by that he bought a few models to try the game out with Erickson. Barnett is the kind of guy to waste his money on any bandwagon he can jump on, so he bought a bunch of Orks so that he could play with Erickson. And Kehrer, sensing another nerdy pastime taking root, bought some Tau. Though he was virtually in the same position as Barnett. After a while, that enthusiasm died out, mostly because none of them had the patience to sit and read the byzantine set of rules and run through several games like slowed lab rats until they figured it out. When I arrived a couple of months after everyone else got here, I recognized the models but everyone else wasn't too interested anymore, except for Erickson who continued to paint his models. The XO put the wrong mailing adress on his shipping order, and so it never arrived (the reason was unknown to him at the time). When I talked to the XO about seeing if he could get his space marines shipped here again, he seemed passively ok with the idea, but it took three weeks of bugging him to get him to go and call GW. Once I got my pieces in, I was nagging the crap out of everyone else who had bought models before to get in on it. Previously, they had used another platoon's bunker and where wasn't much space. Add to that the problem with a bunch of grunt meatheads thinking them inexpensive armymen and messing with them as such, and it's a recipie for disaster.

EDIT: Everyone except for Erickson and myself only previously knew 40K by the Dawn of War game. The XO had started with Dawn of War in West Point military academy and was suggested it by his friend. He didn't really think they were that aweseome until he read The Horus Heresy series by Dan Abnett (Does anyone know what volume order those books go in?) Quinn looked at my nightbringer one night and said, "I don't remember seeing that in Dawn of War. Is it new?"
"No," I replied, "Remember when you build that wierd little building that lets you transform your necron lord into that huge powerful thing? This is that powerful thing."

Our HQ bunker, virtually bare at the time, seemed like an excellent idea. It was a bunker dedicated for R&R activities, but HQ is so spread out and there was nothing to do there, so no one ever set foot in there. I passed the idea by my platoon sergeant and he was ok with us setting up a "nerd area" in that bunker. Kehrer and I set up the first table, as he was the first guy to jump on the idea to get the 40K started again, and him, I, and Barnett went through a couple of half-played tryout games as I red the book and learned the ins and outs of the rules (enough to not completely mess it up, at least). We encouraged the others to bring their stuff in and over the span of a week or two, Barnett and Erickson started moving their models in with ours. The XO's models arrived a week after that as well, and his stuff was starting to get assembled.

Things didn't really take off until we started playing full games with me having a really good concept of the rules. Once me and the XO ran through a couple of games and he learned the rules as well, his interest soared, as he found that the game was actually really fun. And as we play and learn what we would like in our army, we ordered more. More brushes, files, knives, paint, models, vehicles, ect. It got costly quick, so we share as much as we can.

Onlookers like Quinn and Lt. Krick just got enthused about doing something besides sitting in their barracks unit and playing XBOX, so they bought some as well. Most interest from newcomers and onlookers comes from the varied armies of painted miniatures that actually wows them out of their prejudiced "too nerdy for me" mindset. It also helps if they know Dawn of War. Not to mention, now there were almost always people in the bunker in the evenings, listening to music, having a stocked fridge, laughing, playing 40K, and having a great time.

So there you have it. Oh, and Corvus, we get our stuff through mail order. Almost all of it is GW brand as some places don't ship to APO addresses because they think (falsely) it will be considered international mail. I've also ordered a few things from TheWarStore and WarWeb, when I can afford them. Like I said, we share most of our tools, and all of our scenery is made out of junk and trash laying around. It takes about two and a half weeks for stuff we order to get here.

That's awesome

I'm probably going to wind up in Afghanistan this summer, so I was thinking of ordering some Tyranids while I'm there to pass the time when I'm not working. Who knows, maybe I'll pass it along to the dudes I work with

As far as getting leaves on your trees you could try gluing flock to them to give them a pine needle effect. You can either buy it from a lot of online stores (overpriced) or you can make it yourself by just putting some water in a bucket, adding green paint, and then dumping in sawdust. Mix it up, dry it out, and mash up any clumps and you're all set. It's also nice because you can have a whole range of shades by just using more or less paint.

diesel7270 wrote:

A Mountain Dew can in Arabic. Gamers truly are universal!

I'm really liking with what you have done with the flayed ones.
Keep up the good work

besring wrote:I'm really liking with what you have done with the flayed ones.
Keep up the good work

QFT

Whats up everyone specialist Erickson here.I`ve been keeping an eye on this thread since Sgt. Mcdowell started it. i think he has done a great job so far.But since our internet is so slow here he told me uploading pictures takes forever.so im going to start to post up some pics my self so y`all can get the whole view of what we are doing here.but i will do my best to post as many pics as i can of all of our armies,games and ect... on behalf of all of us from the bunker thanks for your support,and all the helpful info.Imperius Dominatus...
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Hey Erickson, welcome to Dakka!

Loving the [new] terrain and I look forward to seeing it in a bat rep, nice job with your models so far Diesel (<-- I wear that aftershave!)

In regards to your query about the Horus Heresy Books it goes:
- Horus Rising
- False Gods
- Galaxy in Flames
- Flight of The Eisenstien
- Fulgrim
- Descent of Angels
- Legion
- Battle for the Abyss
- Mechanicum
- Tales of Heresy
- Fallen Angels
- Thousand Sons
- Fall of Prospero.

I'm yet to read the most recent 2, but I can thoroughly recommend the others, except from Descent of Angels, Fallen Angels and the rubbish Battle for the Abyss.

Good Luck.

Battle wasn't THAT bad...but yeah - avoid the Dark Angel books like the plague. Horrid stuff. And glad to have you here E_ninja13. Keep us updated!

Weclome to Dakka Erickson.
I love what you have done to your guard, looks better than mine.

Having only read Mechanicum, i can only comment on it and it was GREAT!
I never got the others because I get distracted with othere things.

But i can recommend the Imperial Guard Omnibus: Volume 1
It was a great book, which contained the novels Fifteen Hours, Death World and Rebel Winter.

All this stories were great, my personel favourite was Fifteen Hours.

Keep up the Good Work, both of you. Well actually tell everyone to keep up the good work!

Don't forget trees can also be wrecked/destroyed/burned trees. Those don't require leaves. Or fall where the leaves are on the ground.

Regarding your comments about your painting skill level and how you think you'll never get to a much higher level:


There are two extremely simple techniques that go a LONG way in painting miniatures.
Anyone can paint at a really impressive looking level with these techniques.



The first technique is using washes:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=&pIndex=0&aId=6800011&start=1

All you have to do is paint your flat base colors, then paint a wash over it (of an appropriate color). You have awesome shading in seconds.
Just don't use absolute black as a base color (because the wash would have no effect)... Instead use like dark gray with a black wash (this would make a black color with grey highlights).




Second is drybrushing:

You mentioned that you're familiar with drybrushing, but it's a tool that can be used on EVERYTHING.
Instead of painstakingly painting, correcting, and repainting the highlights on your nightbringer, you can simply drybrush them on.
You will end up with nice smooth and beautiful highlights on all the raised areas.

To drybrush correctly, first get a brush that will be dedicated for drybrushing (because it will ruin the brush for any other purpose).
It should be relatively big (they have drybrush specific brushes at the warstore) and is probably best if it's flat-tipped.

So, first dip the tip of your brush in your highlight paint.
Then wipe off ALL of the paint on a napkin or newspaper or something. You should wipe until there's literally no paint coming off on the napkin at all.
Then you just flick your brush over the raised areas that you want to highlight (you're basically smacking the model with your brush back and forth really fast). You have to do it pretty rapidly, because since there's hardly any pigment in your brush, it takes a lot of strokes to build up the highlight. The large number of strokes is what gives it a nice soft gradient.


Once you've done these two steps, your model will look pretty much finished (and pretty awesome), and it only took like 20 minutes (or less). All that's left is to pick out the special bits (buttons, trim, eyes, etc.).

You could also reverse these steps (highlight, then wash the whole model), and you would end up with a more uniform color scheme.



Anyway, nothing wrong with your current methods (Nightbringer is looking good).
I'm just saying these are techniques everyone really should learn and master as soon as possible, because they will save you hours and hours of work, and your models will look a lot better.

Plus, they're easy as balls.

Later.

Thanks for all you guys do.

I'm loving this thread and decided to thank you guys.

Bloog is right with his tips. The big thing is don't get discouraged.

My painting has gotten better just by being stubborn and continuing to paint. Practice will make you better. I've stripped and repainted my Ork Warboss 3 times now after learning how to get a technique right and practicing with it.

Keep heart with the Necrons. They are getting a new codex at the end of the year (if the rumors are true).

Thanks again,