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They will revise all the models, but I highly doubt they will release them all in one wave

Exactly. We'll get a couple plastic kits and no information what else is going to be revised/released and when, and everyone who want to build battle ready armies right away have to convert the units they need or use older models. A year or two will go by without any word about possible new releases, untill they release some new stuff alongside an Orcs and Goblins release or something, when nobody expects it. That's GW wisdom for you.

Therion wrote:

They will revise all the models, but I highly doubt they will release them all in one wave

Exactly. We'll get a couple plastic kits and no information what else is going to be revised/released and when, and everyone who want to build battle ready armies right away have to convert the units they need or use older models. A year or two will go by without any word about possible new releases, untill they release some new stuff alongside an Orcs and Goblins release or something, when nobody expects it. That's GW wisdom for you.

And that's another reason I won't be just throwing my old DE away. I'll be more than happy with a release of plastic Wyches...Raiders/Warriors I have in abundance.

Therion wrote:

So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

That simply cannot and won't be the case. Expecting GW to release five or six new plastic boxes and five or six new metal units plus heroes plus all the possible new vehicles and/or units, all in one go, is simply delusional,

Ever heard of Tau? or Ogre Kingdoms?

They released many new kits as new armies, and you really have to look at Dark Eldar as a "new" army release since it's going to be a reboot.

There may be one or two models that don't get released but I fully expect 90% of the range to be available within the first few months of release.

GG

How many new releases did BA get btw? 4 characters and 3 kits? And SW, Tyranids, etc?

Did I mention Wood Elves?




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generalgrog wrote:

Therion wrote:

So the answer to the question if rumors are true is "all of them".

That simply cannot and won't be the case. Expecting GW to release five or six new plastic boxes and five or six new metal units plus heroes plus all the possible new vehicles and/or units, all in one go, is simply delusional,

Ever heard of Tau? or Ogre Kingdoms?

They released many new kits as new armies, and you really have to look at Dark Eldar as a "new" army release since it's going to be a reboot.

There may be one or two models that don't get released but I fully expect 90% of the range to be available within the first few months of release.

GG

Both hopelessly outdated armies that in no way match up to current army books, and I'm not talking in terms of gaming power but simply the amount of units to choose from. Open your Codex: Necrons and count all the different HQ, elite, troops, fast attack and heavy support choices you have at your disposal. Now compare that number with modern books like Imperial Guard, Tyranids or Blood Angels. Do the same for Tau. Simply put, the expectations for new books are much higher than before. Noone will be satisfied with a book that has 3 HQ choices, 3 elite choices, 1 troops choice, 3 fast attack choices and 3 heavy support choices. New books have 30 to 50 army list entries and I'm not expecting DE or any future army to be any different. Now, you see the strain it puts on the guys who are trying to make the models? Every new book has tons of units that will never be released as Citadel miniatures at all, and you're expecting this to change because some random dude on some random forum said so? Because Dark Eldar are so special?

There's not much in the way of history to support what they will or won't do for this. It's been a long time since they released a new army from scratch.

I guess what they usually do is skimp on units for the first codex. Maybe they'll go that route here too.

PLASTICS:
Warriors
Wyches
Raider/Ravager
Talos
Reavers

METALS:
Incubi
Mandrakes
Hellions
Scourges
Lord
Wych Lord
Haemonculus

It's a big release, but not insane big. I bet it'll get done.

SW got 2 plastic kits (Troops and Termies), and 3 special characters.

Tyranids got 3 plastic kits (gargoyles, ravenors, Trygon) and 3 metal figs (Venom Thropes, Pyrovores, and Hive Guard). Edit: Oops forgot the Trygon

BA got 3 plastic kits (Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, and Baal), and 5 special characters (well one is just a sergeant actually).

wyomingfox wrote:SW got 2 plastic kits (Troops and Termies), and 3 special characters.

Tyranids got 2 plastic kits (gargoyles, ravenors) and 3 metal figs (Venom Thropes, Pyrovores, and Hive Guard).

3 plastics. Trygon/mawloc.

Looking at my Tau codex, you just made me sad. 2 HQ, 2 Elite, 2 troops, 4 fast attack, 3 heavy options (4 if you count the skyray). Very sad indeed.

I expect this will be more akin to the Wood Elf release, which have 17 metal characters, 8 metal unit kits, and 3 plastic unit kits. Except that given their more recent production tech, and the vehicles, there'll probably be more plastic, and less metal.

Three plastic kits and some metal blister packs will get the Dark Eldar started, sure, but it will be far and away from the supposed revamp of the entire model line. How can people be so unrealistic here? Noone should get their hopes up about Dark Eldar getting released at all, ever, but instead of just secretly keeping their thumbs up for the release to become a reality, they're expecting to get new models for about 8 heroes, 3 to 6 vehicles and 6 to 12 units? Good luck with that. Games Workshop that doesn't release the Storm Raven or Thunderwolf Cav or the Tervigon/T-Fex when they 100% know all of the kits would sell out all around the world, suddenly releases an unforeseen amount of stuff for a fringe army that's almost completely forgotten and is the very definition of a high risk release. Makes sense?

Therion wrote:Both hopelessly outdated armies that in no way match up to current army books, and I'm not talking in terms of gaming power but simply the amount of units to choose from. Open your Codex: Necrons and count all the different HQ, elite, troops, fast attack and heavy support choices you have at your disposal. Now compare that number with modern books like Imperial Guard, Tyranids or Blood Angels. Do the same for Tau. Simply put, the expectations for new books are much higher than before. Noone will be satisfied with a book that has 3 HQ choices, 3 elite choices, 1 troops choice, 3 fast attack choices and 3 heavy support choices. New books have 30 to 50 army list entries and I'm not expecting DE or any future army to be any different. Now, you see the strain it puts on the guys who are trying to make the models? Every new book has tons of units that will never be released as Citadel miniatures at all, and you're expecting this to change because some random dude on some random forum said so? Because Dark Eldar are so special?

Nope I personally don't see the 'strain' its putting on the sculpters since...hmmm...there's been no update at all for DE in over 10 years and Jes is supposedly the only one that did the new models. Nobody ever said DE were special, but by your statement you show how decidedly angry you are about them. The truth is nobody knows exactly what to expect and everything here is speculation based on a few tidbits of info that we've heard.

Decidedly angry about what? About Dark Eldar? They're fictional creatures. About Dark Eldar models being released? Why would I be angry about that? I'd love for the next four army books to be Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau and Eldar. What I'm surprised about is the amount of unwarranted optimism and the general state of delusion in this thread. A lot of people are really setting themselves up for a major disappointment.

Rymafyr wrote:....hmmm...there's been no update at all for DE in over 10 years.....

This.

I know they haven't been actually doing the models for 10 years but it's been at least 2 or 3 years right?

That's the difference between updating an army like nids/BA/SW and doing a total reboot like what we will see with DE.

GG

Therion wrote:Decidedly angry about what? About Dark Eldar? They're fictional creatures. About Dark Eldar models being released? Why would I be angry about that? I'd love for the next four army books to be Dark Eldar, Necrons, Tau and Eldar. What I'm surprised about is the amount of unwarranted optimism and the general state of delusion in this thread. A lot of people are really setting themselves up for a major disappointment.

Actually, I think most of our expectations are way lower than what you are presenting. And ya, you are very upset over it for no reason because as you said, they are fictional creatures and I'll add toy soldiers. Personally I'm a realist but I'd certainly rather see posts of optimism over posts of unwarranted criticism and pessimism.

Such negativity by some people.

Pretty sure that if the rumors are true about DE codex being "at the printers" (and some solid sources are saying as much) it will come out.

Would be asinine, even for GW, to print a run of codeciies spending 1,000's of pounds, and if it's true about the minis being done, 100's of 1,000's more pounds on production to just be like......."haha, fooled you guys. No DE."

Therion I think needs his morning coffee.

As was mentioned earlier WE's had most, if not all, of their range released within a couple of months. What's to say GW won't do the same for DE?




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wyomingfox wrote:SW got 2 plastic kits (Troops and Termies), and 3 special characters.

Tyranids got 2 plastic kits (gargoyles, ravenors) and 3 metal figs (Venom Thropes, Pyrovores, and Hive Guard). Oops forgot the Trygon...that makes 3 plastic.

BA got 2 plastic kits (Death Company, and Baal), 1 metal kit (Sanguinary Guard), and 5 special characters (well one is just a sergeant actually).

FYI Sanguinary Guard are plastic so 4 plastic kits.

I was thinking of buying into DE; I guess I'll wait now.

Fateweaver wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:BA got 2 plastic kits (Death Company, and Baal), 1 metal kit (Sanguinary Guard), and 5 special characters (well one is just a sergeant actually).

FYI Sanguinary Guard are plastic so 4 plastic kits.

Oh, so that would be 3 plastic kits then. Death Guard, Baal, and Sanguinary Guard. Right? Or am I missing another?

FYI Sanguinary Guard are plastic so 4 plastic kits.

Sanguinary Guard, DC, Baal Predator, and what's the fourth plastic kit?

this is rumour control.

I was told by a GW manager who was leaving the company that there is definitely going to be DE codex. This was on the basis that all the studio minis were off being photographed at the HQ for the new codex.

agnosto wrote:I was thinking of buying into DE; I guess I'll wait now.

Yeah, personally I'd wait at this point...and I'll envy your pretty new DE army

brainscan wrote:this is rumour control.

I was told by a GW manager who was leaving the company that there is definitely going to be DE codex. This was on the basis that all the studio minis were off being photographed at the HQ for the new codex.

Sorry but I'm not sure I understand your last sentence. Does it mean that 'Eavy Metal would have painted the new range of minis for the codex?

Erasoketa wrote:

brainscan wrote:this is rumour control.

I was told by a GW manager who was leaving the company that there is definitely going to be DE codex. This was on the basis that all the studio minis were off being photographed at the HQ for the new codex.

Sorry but I'm not sure I understand your last sentence. Does it mean that 'Eavy Metal would have painted the new range of minis for the codex?

The existing minis where being used for the new codex. my interpretation would be no new minis just a new codex. I couldnt get anymore information than that. athough he did hint that older DE stuff may be rereleased in plastic to replace older metal kits.

There are definitely new DE Warrior plastics. Some people have even been lucky enough to see them.

Well the minis have been done for some time now (Known). I'd assume that also means any requisite molds have been made etc(Speculation). I doubt they would use anything but newly made/painted minis for the new codex(Pretty damned sure about that). In other words, they're not going to paint up the greens of new models just so they can have pics.

You know that doesn't make any sense, don't you? Are you saying they've recreated the entire Dark Eldar line, but none of it was ready before the new codex had to hit the printers and therefore the book has pictures of all the old junk? More specifically, you're saying that the models have been ready for months or even a year, but they just couldn't get them painted in time for the pics? What a switch from the previous "They've been working on this release for a decade". Now it's "They had to release a book in a hurry to shut up the internet crowd. Gav Thorpe wrote the fluff while sitting on the toilet and Matt Ward random generated stats and points costs".

Brainscan, I've afraid you're not correct. I could see them taking pics of some of the old stuff, but there are definitely new models.

Therion, sorry, but you are off base this time. You’ve lost perspective and appear to no longer be able to distinguish the nonsense and wishlisting from the real information which has slowly leaked out.

As noted, Wood Elves are an example of an army which HAS had a serious and complete revamp like we’re talking about. As I said, they got three new plastic unit boxes (dryads, glade guard, glade riders) and EIGHT new metal ones (wardancers, waywatchers, warhawks, wild riders, eternal guard, treeman, treekin, new eagle) in addition to all the characters. Given GW's more recent work with plastics, it’s completely realistic and reasonable to expect that a higher proportion of the new stuff this time will be plastic, though it wouldn’t really be necessary; just nice.

All dependable rumors indicate that Jes has been personally and gradually working on these kits between all his other duties, probably for more than five years. It’s dead certain that some folks have seen some of the new figs, but GW’s been tightfisted and people are being cautious. With Jes working on the figs over a long period, the logistical hurdle of GW’s sculpting schedule / what their guys are busy with is not really a factor.

Recent (within the last couple of weeks) reliable word was that the codex was at the printer’s. It seems likely that the rules were the biggest hold up once the models finally got done.

Just gonna stick my oar in and use some educated guesswork.

I've read before that GW budget for roughly 50 plastic sprues per year. This works out to roughly one per week. If a codex launch takes up a whole month of newly released product, i's reasonable to assume it'll get 4 sprues. Depending on the number of sprues needed per model, this translates to 3-4 plastic kits at launch.

Dark Eldar are getting a complete overhaul, so they'll need troops. Going on the assumption that Wytches are moving from Elite to troops, I predict 2 of these potential 4 sprues will be Dark Eldar Warriors and Dark Eldar Wytches.

Of the two remaining, a raider will certainly show up. The question is whether the Raider will take one sprue, or be on 2 sprues with parts for a ravager included (and maybe even another variant?). Personally I'd guess they'd save the ravager for a second wave release, but who knows. If no ravager, I'd guess they'd release a Talos, so they have a heavy support option released.

Along with the plastics they can easily release the same number or more of metal models. The rubber moulds for metal kits are considerably cheaper, so for a big release they could go crazy with models. I'd guessing HQ's, Incubi, Mandrakes, Hellions and possibly Scourges. If they add new stuff they'll probably replace something in this list.

I think with many of the multi-purpose plastic kits they've been releasing (demolisher, trygon/mawloc, etc), I'd say we'll probably see more variants of units in combined kits and that things like the Raider/Ravager being packaged in one box. It's one less sku for retailers to stock, they can charge more, and it's probably easier to produce.

So 3-4 plastic kits could feasibly cover 6-7 unit types within the new codex and then metal or phase 2 releases for the rest.