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Saldiven wrote:

Reecius wrote:Hahaha, I know I never go into battle without my leather kielbasa sling on! The sight of my white cheeks bouncing around is enough to strike fear into the bravest of enemies!


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@Brother SRM
Harlies in the fluff come from and work for all of the different types of Eldar. I think it totally fits.

Plus, Harlies in Raiders is just brutal, brutal, brutal.

Are you quite sure that expression is one of fear....?

Also, I agree about the fluff on the Harlequins. If I remember, the original WD fluff about them stated that they were performing troupes of mystical warriors who traveled among all Eldar to re-enact the Fall so that none would forget.

I also remember Harlequins being made up of chosen Eldar, Dark Eldar and any other kinds. So to become one was a special honor no matter who you were.

Harlies are actually a much older organization than the split between Eldar and Dark Eldar. And living in the Warp as they do, it's likely that they are all still from before the Fall.

I wonder if GW will release new Harlequin models or just add the Eldar versions.

they will just make spikey upgrade kit for DE ))

Farmer wrote:I wonder if GW will release new Harlequin models or just add the Eldar versions.

No real need to make new Harlequin models when the ones they have work just fine.

Man, there have been rumours about this for ages. It'd be nice to see them come true; God knows the DA need updating like hell in terms of models. I'd welcome some DA that didn't look like demonic Christmas trees, personally.

Yes, Harlequins are Harlequins. There aren't any Dark Eldar specific ones. It is noted in the fluff that they visit and perform for both Craftworlds and Commorragh.

Hence the call from us lot to see them appear in a future edition of Codex Dark Eldar. The addition of the Solitaire (the doomed member of the troupe who plays the Great Enemy) in the army list entry would be an interesting development. Maybe substitute it for the Shadowseer and have it deploy separately.

Another one of these threads? I actually read that article and decided against posting it here, cause it's not really news.
It's all been said before. I'm with JHDD for once in saying that at this point, the only real DE news would be pics of pages from the new codex, or pics of new models.

And Harlequins? Yeah they fit. But they also don't really fit... I hope they're not in the codex. A bunch of clowns flopping around while the DE are trying to do their thing just doesn't work imo... I'm hoping this just means that they are mentioned in the codex, rather than being part of the army list.

Melta Lance would be fine. DE only ever had one tank busty gun, let it be a good one. They're supposed to shoot black hole matter ffs...

Yes, it's going to take some creative writing to justify Harequins taking part in a slave raid.

Scottywan82 wrote:Harlies are actually a much older organization than the split between Eldar and Dark Eldar. And living in the Warp as they do, it's likely that they are all still from before the Fall.

Don't Harlequins actually live NOT in the Warp?

And I'm not sold on them being in with the Dark Eldar, though I guess it makes some sense from a story AND a sales perspective...

Flashman wrote:Yes, it's going to take some creative writing to justify Harequins taking part in a slave raid.

"Now THAT's what I call a captive audience!"

Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.

On a serious note, it is nice to have a hint of an existing unit that hopeful DE players can start converting/painting (or even just planning for) right now.

Also, here's hoping that the DE plastics work with the WHFB Corsairs kit as well as Guardians do. If there's cross-range compatibility, some AMAZING kitbashing can go on. Jes Goodwin is the sort of designer who actually thinks about that stuff, so the odds are probably good for a slew of great bitz-hacks.

Harlequin are a separate fraction and have contacts with craftworld Eldar AND Dark Eldar. They travel and mostly live in the Webway (a network of travel routes through the warp but protected from the warp). They protect the Black Library which is a construct in the webway and the biggest collection of knowledge on Chaos. Their main purpose is fighting Chaos (and keeping Eldar legends alive with performances). They wouldn't take part in Dark Eldar slave raids or Saim Hann massacring of human population on maiden worlds.

Bear LaMorte wrote:i hope the Lance-Melta combo kicks serious ...

Sorry but it will only one shot TMC dead...because those 12 remaining WAAC nid players deserve it [/sarcasm]

Right now the closest equivalent is a 60 pt Zoe which is a str 10 lance AP1. But at the same time is offset by low range and the ability to be shut down by hoods. A melta Lance would be way more powerfull. Ravagers would be brutal. 3 melta lances on a 12" firing platform with a 36" range...dear heavens. I am guessing that this rumor is bunk or the weapon itself is either going to be toned down or the costs extremely high.

Alpharius wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Harlies are actually a much older organization than the split between Eldar and Dark Eldar. And living in the Warp as they do, it's likely that they are all still from before the Fall.

Don't Harlequins actually live NOT in the Warp?

And I'm not sold on them being in with the Dark Eldar, though I guess it makes some sense from a story AND a sales perspective...

The Black Library exists in the Webway which is technically in the warp, so...

Also, keep in mind that the Harlies are not necessarilly acting as slavers for the DE. Their motivations are more inscrutable than that. As the DE raid for slaves, the Harlies may in fact be taking advantage of the chaos (not Chaos) to assassinate someone they have foretold will cause trouble to the Eldar race as a whole. Or - as DE are not exactly Slaanesh worshiping (more Slaanesh fearing) Eldar, the Harlies may be in fact battling the Great Devourer.

The Black Library exists in the Webway which is technically in the warp, so...

You're way off. The webway was created (or access to it was sought) for the very reason that the Eldar and their kind don't have to enter warp when they travel. Webway is a dimension between the two dimensions. A hiding place from Slaanesh, if you will. The Craftworlders live a life of restraint from all excesses or else Slaanesh will have their soul. Their Dark Kin place no such restrictions upon themselves but have to spend most of their time in Commorragh, a city not in material space nor in the warp, or else Slaanesh will destroy them too. Any Eldar entering warp space is described as a bright homing beacon for all types of Daemons (Because Eldar are a psychic race in the extreme).

There's still absolutely no rumours here. This same speculation has been posted every now and then for over five years now.

Therion wrote:

The Black Library exists in the Webway which is technically in the warp, so...

You're way off. The webway was created (or access to it was sought) for the very reason that the Eldar and their kind don't have to enter warp when they travel. Webway is a dimension between the two dimensions.

I would argue that it's a distinction without a difference. They use the Warp, albeit in a different manner from the Imperium. Imperial ships are protected from the warp itself by the shell the warp drive creates. The webway acts as permanent structure that serves a similar purpose. I think beyond that, it's a matter of semantics.

Certainly some portions of the webway do break down and get invaded by the warp itself. I direct your intention to the Inquisitor Trilogy for that. Perhaps a better analogy is more like a Daemon world?

Therion wrote:

The Black Library exists in the Webway which is technically in the warp, so...

You're way off. The webway was created (or access to it was sought) for the very reason that the Eldar and their kind don't have to enter warp when they travel. Webway is a dimension between the two dimensions. A hiding place from Slaanesh, if you will. The Craftworlders live a life of restraint from all excesses or else Slaanesh will have their soul. Their Dark Kin place no such restrictions upon themselves but have to spend most of their time in Commorragh, a city not in material space nor in the warp, or else Slaanesh will destroy them too. Any Eldar entering warp space is described as a bright homing beacon for all types of Daemons (Because Eldar are a psychic race in the extreme).

Actually, it depends on which fluff source you're looking at. A Thousand Sons (new HH novel) has a description of the webway that's closer to what Kroothawk said ("a network of travel routes through the warp but protected from the warp") and Scottywan is saying here too. But I seem to recall older fluff varying between the webway being separate from the warp, and it being a network of tesseracts and safe "tubes" through the warp. As for the authors' conceptions of the webway, you see the influence of everything from Madeleine L'Engle's "A Wrinkle In Time" to IT networking (secure tunnels, datahavens, etc.). GW does coordinate it's fluff well, but this cosmological element seems to have some varying concepts. If you want to stay inside the narrative logic of the fluffverse, you could see that variation as an indication of the lack of precise knowledge on the part of narrators in various sources... which is a fun bit of logical realism on top of making it easier on GW fluff writers to make up whatever they want.

I'm going to go back through my BL stacks (pretty much everything ever published for 40K that's got decent xenos fluff) and find some good info, if I get a moment. Another good place to find webway fluff would probably be Codex:Eye of Terror, which featured Ahriman's quest/rampage for the Black Library heavily. BTW, the ways in which A Thousand Sons ties into that bit of fluff are pretty mindblowing. I HIGHLY recommend the book.

But no doubt we will see webway fluff getting nailed down a bit more explicitly in the new codex. The 'Nid, BA and Space Wolf codices have all had little goodies in them (like the bit about the Astronomican being what probably drew the 'Nids onto our galaxy in the first place), and I hope DE will have some of the same. I also really wonder about their relationship to the Eldar god Ynead, the Eldar god of the dead who is slowly being born from the gestalt souls of Infinity Circuit/World Spirit -preserved Eldar souls.


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Scottywan82 wrote:Certainly some portions of the webway do break down and get invaded by the warp itself. I direct your intention to the Inquisitor Trilogy for that. Perhaps a better analogy is more like a Daemon world?

Again, this exact thing is in A Thousand Sons. And I wouldn't recommend readin gthe Inquisitor trilogy to anyone I liked. Well, unless they were a hardcore geek, totally obsessed with 40K flu...

...Er, nevermind.

Savnock wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Certainly some portions of the webway do break down and get invaded by the warp itself. I direct your intention to the Inquisitor Trilogy for that. Perhaps a better analogy is more like a Daemon world?

Again, this exact thing is in A Thousand Sons. And I wouldn't recommend readin gthe Inquisitor trilogy to anyone I liked. Well, unless they were a hardcore geek, totally obsessed with 40K flu...

...Er, nevermind.

Oh, I wouldn't either.

Again...I don't give a rat's about fluff. Rules are greater than Fluff any day. And looking at how OTT SW and BA have been made, I wouldn't be shocked to see a lance-melta that will deliver some serious pwnage.

ProtoClone wrote:Lance-melta weapon...Interesting!

I thought dark lances already were the equivalent of melta weapons.

Lance treats armor > 12 as 12
Melta is AP 1 and adds an extra die to the damage when a hit is successful at half range and under.

IIRC...please correct me if there are errors.

Trust me when I say there are few people that want to see DE released as much as I do. I am surfing the net every day hoping for some solid info and again I was disapointed that it still is not out there. I really really really need a release date soon or my expectations over the last 8 years just may lead me to massive burn out on the whole thing. GW needs to start leaking some real stuff here instead of this continuing bait crap.

IF Dark Eldar are getting released in October(ish), then we probably won't see anything until June or July, really...

Exactly Alpha.

Hyping the complete re-design and re-release of a 10+ year old army would just be stupid. Better to not reveal anything until the last possible moment.

Alpharius wrote:IF Dark Eldar are getting released in October(ish), then we probably won't see anything until June or July, really...

Yeah, I really think GK may be out first. I mean, all of their codices have been pulled, from all sites. Only Spain has pulled the Dark Eldar Codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Exactly Alpha.

Hyping the complete re-design and re-release of a 10+ year old army would just be stupid. Better to not reveal anything until the last possible moment.

Hey! I'm not saying I agree with how GW runs their business, I'm just saying that's how it probably is going to be.

I don't get it either - we are (allegedly) talking about JES FREAKIN' GOODWIN models here!

That fact ALONE has got me excited to buy a new Xenos army!

Of course, the recent Minotaurs and Razorgor fiasco represent the other side of the 'sneak preview' argument...

But come on!

JES GOODWIN!

Bear LaMorte wrote: i hope the Lance-Melta combo kicks serious ... I HOPE IT IS AN UBER-DEATH CANNON THAT RIPS ASUNDER ALL THAT STANDS BEFORE IT!!!! ...
and maybe then the DE will have been compensated for their patience

Or will at least stfu for a little while.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Reecius wrote:Hahaha, I know I never go into battle without my leather kielbasa sling on! The sight of my white cheeks bouncing around is enough to strike fear into the bravest of enemies!

Reece, you also say the following line:

"Kelly can be a guy's name, too"

It's not?

Haha, actually there is a guy in our group who's name is Kelly, and he is a cool dude, so I must defend the manliness of this name!



And fellas, the Dark Eldar are coming, for real this time.

Count on it.

Every time you say that Reecius, a Hwang loses his DD.

Breotan wrote:

ProtoClone wrote:Lance-melta weapon...Interesting!

I thought dark lances already were the equivalent of melta weapons.

More like a gimped Lascannon - worse v AV12 or less, better vs AV14, always down 12" range...
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Reecius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Reecius wrote:Hahaha, I know I never go into battle without my leather kielbasa sling on! The sight of my white cheeks bouncing around is enough to strike fear into the bravest of enemies!

Reece, you also say the following line:

"Kelly can be a guy's name, too"

It's not?

(NSFW, of course...)