What's your favorite Chaos God?

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**CrazyThang**

I used to love Papa Nurgle but lately I'm being drawn more towards Khorne. I suppose I was reading too much about Kharn :/ Now theres a fun guy! But I do like all the Chaos gods pretty dang close to equal.

Oh and someone mentioned that Nurgle was the first Chaos god. Nope, of the four it was Khorne.

**Nitros14**

Tzeentch is described as the Chaos god of Change, Ambition, Knowledge, Hope and Sorcery. His titles include the Changer of Ways, the Architect of Fate and the Great Sorceror. Tzeentch excels in subtle machinations and is patron to schemers and conspirators of all sorts and he favours the clever over the strong.

Born out of the survivalist emotion of Hope, Tzeentch is the greatest of the four great Chaos Gods of the Warp. Tzeentch is the Warp God of change, sorcery, Machiavellian scheming, power craving and subtle manipulation. He bears the titles of "the Changer of Ways", "the Architect of Fate", "the Weaver of Destiny", "the Herald of Hope", "the Grand Schemer", "the Great Conspirator", "the Great Mutator" and "the Lord of Sorcery"

The emotion that is most closely associated with Tzeentch is hope. Tzeentch represents the hopeful dreams and aspirations of mortals run entirely out of control. He is the will to change and evolve, to improve and to build, to cunningly outmaneuver others. Anyone who ever hoped to improve their station in life unknowingly empowers Tzeentch. It is in the hearts of those with the strongest desire to prevail that Tzeentch whispers his insidious promise: the means to life eternal for those unwilling to accept death and oblivion as inevitable. This refusal to accept the inevitable makes Tzeentch the opposite and nemesis of the Chaos God Nurgle.

There is a way through the coming darkness.

But to find it we must change.

We must change and change until Change is our master. For nothing neither god nor mortal can hold that which has no form.

Change is the constant that cannot be changed.

The Chaos Gods are nothing more than a reflection of every mortal's deepest darkest emotions.

So the question is really, what emotion resonates most with you?

It's less Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, Slaanesh and more

Anger?
Hope?
Despair?
Desire?

Tzeentch is much more of a creator than Nurgle. Nurgle's powers are fear and despair but also stagnation, apathy and acceptance of what is.

Tzeentch is a blazing furnace of creation. Everchanging growth and evolution. Tzeentch is creation gone wildly out of control, as all the hopes and dreams of mortals are unleashed to their fullest potential. He's constantly creating intricate plans and weaving new webs of deception. He's curiosity and knowledge taken to their farthest extremes.

You know Lords of Change come up with 100+ new names and titles for themselves every day, Horrors and Flamers recreate their bodies in a new way every few seconds

The primary tenet of the Tzeentchian faith is that everything can be changed. Nothing is inevitable, including your own demise. Tzeentch isn't known as the architect of fate because he has any respect for fate. Rather he's the architect because he builds his own fate and expects his followers to do the same.

It's NURGLY talk to sit on your hands and wait for the end and to blindly follow. Anyone with the true spirit of hope, change and ambition that Tzeentch represents would be trying to outmaneuver their own god and change their fate so that they aren't cast aside.

There's actually some amusing fluff about the scheming that goes on between Lords of Change and Tzeentch and how they try to trick eachother.

Tzeentch only casts you aside if you, intentionally or unintentionally, fall into his schemes and give him the opportunity to gain by sacrificing you.

The reason Ahriman is so highly favoured by Tzeentch is precisely because he doesn't acknowledge Chaos as his master and dedicates all his considerable intellect into scheming for more knowledge, power and mastery of his own fate. Tzeentch actually appreciates his own followers being extremely ambitious, manipulative and basically giving him the finger, because by acting as such they embody everything he represents and increase his power in the warp by their reflection in it.

Similarly, Tzeentch is the patron god of Liars and Manipulators. So when Magnus the Red proclaims to the Thousand Sons:

"The minds of Gods are not for mortals to know or to judge. Accept that Tzeentch has a place for us all and be happy in the part you have to play."

This is actually a bald-faced lie to the entire Legion. Only the stupid or the weak would believe that, and those that do are pawns to be expended in the Great Game, rather than the true disciples of Tzeentch who would pretend to accept it and scheme to subvert it.

The path of the Changer of Ways is not for the stupid nor the faint of heart or the weak of spirit...

Tzeentch wrote:
Be strong, only the strong are welcome.

-Libra Chaotica

You know all this gives me an idea. I should start a book on the nature of Tzeentch! NEW PROJECT COMMENCING.

**Slarg232**

Tzeentch schemes to no end, because the end of schemes would be the end of tzeentch, that would be an interesting book.

Also, can you find the entire Libre Chaotica? It would be an interesting read.

**Nitros14**

Slarg232 wrote:Tzeentch schemes to no end, because the end of schemes would be the end of tzeentch, that would be an interesting book.

Also, can you find the entire Libre Chaotica? It would be an interesting read.

I own the entire Libra Chaotica, you can buy it on Amazon.

**Manchu**

Slaanesh is the most interesting of them and my favorite. But S/He's been done to death (well, Her/His cults have anyway) in the mostly banal books and not to interesting effect. Tzeentch comes in second for me but mostly because of how vivid and strange His servants are. Next comes Nurgle who is interesting because of His twisted "benevolence" but also overdone in the fiction. Last IMHO is Khorne, Chaos God of the Obvious.

**CrazyThang**

Yay I'm finally home and waited all day to post this:

**Slarg232**

Nitros14 wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:Tzeentch schemes to no end, because the end of schemes would be the end of tzeentch, that would be an interesting book.

Also, can you find the entire Libre Chaotica? It would be an interesting read.

I own the entire Libra Chaotica, you can buy it on Amazon.

No internet copy?

**sir mongo**

Nurgle with support of Khorne.
What Khorne kills Nurgle brings back. Never ending Marine Factory.

**Nitros14**

sir mongo wrote:Nurgle with support of Khorne.
What Khorne kills Nurgle brings back. Never ending Marine Factory.

The Planet of the Sorcerors is a neverending Marine factory. The Thousand Sons' Sorcerors summon and bind the souls of their dead marines back into more power armour tombs of dust. They serve eternally!

**sir mongo**

Nitros14 wrote:
sir mongo wrote:Nurgle with support of Khorne.
What Khorne kills Nurgle brings back. Never ending Marine Factory.

The Planet of the Sorcerors is a neverending Marine factory. The Thousand Sons' Sorcerors summon and bind the souls of their dead marines back into more power armour tombs of dust. They serve eternally!

Thousand Sons' are mindless drones, controlled by a Sorceror who is afraid of fighting.

**Morgrim**

Less 'afraid of fighting' and more 'has a brain'.

"Now, I can go toe to toe with an enemy and let them hack at me with weapons, or I can stay behind some difficult to damage unflinching warriors and blast the enemy with lightning while remaining untouchable..."

**Black Corsair**

BLOOOD FOR THE BLOOOOD GOD!!!!!! BLERELBLRERLELRELRELBERE!!!!

(a little hint of my poll vote)

**Noobtodagame**

Nurgle of course.

The chaos god of life through death. Whats not to love with that duality?

**Melissia**

I want to like Tzeentch, but mutation is not my idea of a good time.

Khorne may be a bastard, but he is straightforward and honest.

**Nitros14**

Melissia wrote:I want to like Tzeentch, but mutation is not my idea of a good time.

Khorne may be a bastard, but he is straightforward and honest.

You just don't realize how useful three extra mouths (one of which is inside out and one of which has an arm growing out of it) are.

Of course the Thousand Sons Sorcerors solved the issue by fusing themselves to their armour with the Rubric and freeing themselves from mutation, just do that!

**Ultra mortalitas**

None.

EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!

**Jimsolo**

Now, I don't know that much about some of the Chaos histories...are the Rubric marines like free thinking individuals trapped in a life AS their own power armor, or are they instead just mindless golems animated by the souls of their former wearers?

**Wyvern**

Jimsolo wrote:Now, I don't know that much about some of the Chaos histories...are the Rubric marines like free thinking individuals trapped in a life AS their own power armor, or are they instead just mindless golems animated by the souls of their former wearers?

Their bodies were turned to dust, and their Souls are trapped inside their armour. They are mindless automatons, guided by the Sorcerers who are also sealed in their armour, but were made much more powerful by the Rubric.
Tzeentch is definitely my favourite. He is the most interesting by far, and is the most intelligent of the gods, his ultimate plan and reasons for his manipulations are the hardest to discern.

Khorne is too blunt and simple. He's admirable for his single minded devotion, but it doesnt particularly endear him to me.

Nurgle is too pessimistic, despite the fact he and all his daemons are usually quite jubilant (Isnt there a constant ring of dancing around the equator of his capital daemon world?). He is too accepting of the enivitable, which directly contrasts Tzeentch.

Slaanesh I find hard to decide on. I like that He/She manipulates you through what you desire, and the Divine Comedy references in gaining access to his throne in his warp realm. But the way He/She manipulates isnt as clever as Tzeentch. And Tzeentch also lets his followers pursue their own goals, rather than simply fufilling his all the time. As long as their goals are beneficial to him in some way, like in the case of Arihman.

**Nitros14**

Jimsolo wrote:Now, I don't know that much about some of the Chaos histories...are the Rubric marines like free thinking individuals trapped in a life AS their own power armor, or are they instead just mindless golems animated by the souls of their former wearers?

The Rubrics don't consciously think per se but in battle according to fluff 'something of their former battle hunger returns and they move with greater clarity and purpose'. They still have their old Space Marine instincts and battle skills. They just are utterly unquestioning and totally instinctual and fall into dormancy outside of battle when not directed by a Sorceror.

The Sorcerors still have bodies (though they're fused to their armour) and are much more intelligent and powerful post-Rubric.

Rubrics are also capable of speech when directed to speak by their Sorcerors. It comes out as a ghostly whisper.

**sniperjolly**

I love nurgle the most, b/c he loves ME the most! Plus he has the coolest CSMs behind him. Can't argue with FNP!

**Nurglitch**

In an argument with Plasma, Feel No Pain always loses.

**Nitros14**

The poll results actually pretty much represent the supposed 'strength' of the Gods in the lore, amusingly enough.

**Jimsolo**

Yeah, I am a little surprised at the results. I honestly expected Slaanesh and Khorne to be tied for first, with Tzeentch trailing in the rear.

**LDOG NZ**

Khorn- mostly because it involves alot of violence and death

**Ailaros**

God of perpetual orgasm? Yes, please, lord Slaanesh.

I may get wiped out in a tide of gore or plague or tzeenchey-lightning-bolts, but at least I'll die doing what I love.

**Chongara**

Khrone feels a bit generic.

Slaanesh just feels.. forced. Like they just need an excuse for silly, creepy booby-demons. I dunno I've never really like the whole god of dark pleasures angle anywhere I've encountered it. Just not my thing.

Tzeentch is cool. I've always like the scheming types. Still feels a bit generic though. I mean it has a few extra dimensons to it unlike Mr. "GRRR! SKULLS AND BLOOD! KILL KILL! I'M AN EVIL WAR GOD! RAAAARGH! SKULLS AND BLOOD I SAY, SKULLS AND BLOOD."

Nurgle is just plain awesome. Certainly the whole happy abomination thing as has been elsewhere, but not quite in the same drippy I-love-my-children fashion. His stuff is kind of silly but still manages to feel like it belongs in the universe. He's a bloated bag of fun, puss and fun.

**JMZ**

What can I say that hasn't been said, Slaanesh is about sensation, and desire fits what s/he feeds on. I always thought it was interesting that s/he basically entraps followers through pleasure, but then they pursue it so much that desensitization forces them to more extreme acts. Its a 'too much of a good thing is way bad' sort of god. I also <3 the daemons, daemonettes and greater daemons, and am very glad they reworked the model for the fiend.

Khorne,.... all Khorne is about is caps lock. I very much dislike caps lock, so khorne can go build his own skull pile.

Tzeentch, I dig the change approach, and the scheming is a fun addition, but I've never really liked that the greater daemon looks like an overgrown turkey-vulture thing. Cmon now, really.

Nurgle, fat and happy and smells like a porta potty,.... awesome appearance on the followers when you want to create gross looking stuff, but something about an eternity of BO makes me think otherwise.

**Ed_Bodger**

I'm not particularly clever, I have a great 'adult' life and I like keeping fit.

On the other hand there are a lot of people who would benefit by getting a chain axe to the face.

Therefore Khorne by a country mile.

**Jimsolo**

Ed, while I can't support your decision, I love your reasons for it! (I'm totally quoting this at the table.)

**Lupe**

Tzeentch.

A being whose schemes are so complex and so far reaching that if any single grand plan would come into existence, Tzeentch would be annihilated, as his purpose for existing would be fulfilled.

A being that's incredibly scary because you don't know whether he's incredibly crazy, or very very sane...