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zegna wrote:
Also, I should stress that 'infiltrate' does not necessarily mean in plain sight. The feral nature of a Marine would mean he could probably lay waiting much like a Vindicare Assassin. His control over his body functions would easily facilitate him to regulate his breathing and body temperature so as not to appear too distinct on scanners or to the ear.

Like in Soul Hunter. A callidus assasin is chilling out. Then talos smashes through the wall, and attempts to colloquially, 'Murk her'. Or in Dark Apostle. They (Word Bearer Terminators) turn their bodily functions pretty much off. They then ambush an Imperial guard column-led by an Emperor Titan. That made me LOL

karimabuseer wrote:

zegna wrote:
Also, I should stress that 'infiltrate' does not necessarily mean in plain sight. The feral nature of a Marine would mean he could probably lay waiting much like a Vindicare Assassin. His control over his body functions would easily facilitate him to regulate his breathing and body temperature so as not to appear too distinct on scanners or to the ear.

Like in Soul Hunter. A callidus assasin is chilling out. Then talos smashes through the wall, and attempts to colloquially, 'Murk her'. Or in Dark Apostle. They (Word Bearer Terminators) turn their bodily functions pretty much off. They then ambush an Imperial guard column-led by an Emperor Titan. That made me LOL

Now i really gotta go read Dark Apostle.

From the way I interpreted the space wolf first omnibus the wolves wear these tight tunics that keep your body the right temprature.

HA. Dark apostle is great! I'm reading it right now. It's good.

Why are people saying all extremely buff? Where's the source for that? In the Guard Ominbus, the final few pages details a Death Spector Space Marine and an extremely tall thin (lanky?) but well toned guy in a toga.
Where does it say they look like Arnie in the 80s?


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The Odessey wrote:Why are people saying all extremely buff? Where's the source for that? In the Guard Ominbus, the final few pages details a Death Spector Space Marine and an extremely tall thin (lanky?) but well toned guy in a toga.
Where does it say they look like Arnie in the 80s?


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Most traditional material shows SM's to be fairly big bulk wise. Try Warhammer Monthly; I think the comic is well out of publication now, but back in the late 90s/early 00s they ran a comic called Bloodquest - about a Blood Angels Captain on a quest to find a sword. Most of the Marines portrayed on that, if not Arnold level, were quite built.

I do agree though that you would need a trade-off somewhere. Bulk is definitely not indicative of strength, and if anything, it would deter agility. If you were to introduce a sense of realism to it, it would be possible that most SMs would be recommended to keep a degree of belly, as the fatty tissue would prevent your guts spilling out should you take a wound (Roman gladiators were famous for this), though perhaps the presence of their armour sufficiently offsets this.

zegna wrote:

The Odessey wrote:Why are people saying all extremely buff? Where's the source for that? In the Guard Ominbus, the final few pages details a Death Spector Space Marine and an extremely tall thin (lanky?) but well toned guy in a toga.
Where does it say they look like Arnie in the 80s?


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Most traditional material shows SM's to be fairly big bulk wise. Try Warhammer Monthly; I think the comic is well out of publication now, but back in the late 90s/early 00s they ran a comic called Bloodquest - about a Blood Angels Captain on a quest to find a sword. Most of the Marines portrayed on that, if not Arnold level, were quite built.

I do agree though that you would need a trade-off somewhere. Bulk is definitely not indicative of strength, and if anything, it would deter agility. If you were to introduce a sense of realism to it, it would be possible that most SMs would be recommended to keep a degree of belly, as the fatty tissue would prevent your guts spilling out should you take a wound (Roman gladiators were famous for this), though perhaps the presence of their armour sufficiently offsets this.

Also there is the question of the extreme cybernetic augmentation, including muscle grafts, bone reinforcements subdermal armor and the black carapace...that stuff must go somewhere, so even a lean and wiry guy would end up a lot more bulky then he would normally be.

zegna wrote:
A scout will not be 5-6 foot one day and suddenly be 8 foot the next day when he is promoted and prepped for surgery. There are no magic knee implants in the 41st Millennium

You mean 40k is not GATACA!!! No!?! (sarcasm.)

Also, I should stress that 'infiltrate' does not necessarily mean in plain sight.

I think the true meaning of the word espionage is lost on most people now days, there is a very interesting thread talking about SMs and espionage... and how it could never happen, because a marine is "Too Big" to sell military secrets, steal military secrets, paint a target with a laser from concealment, take pictures from a plane, etc. (If I have to mark it again.. Sarcasm.. )

zegna wrote:

The Odessey wrote:Why are people saying all extremely buff? Where's the source for that? In the Guard Ominbus, the final few pages details a Death Spector Space Marine and an extremely tall thin (lanky?) but well toned guy in a toga.
Where does it say they look like Arnie in the 80s?


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Most traditional material shows SM's to be fairly big bulk wise. Try Warhammer Monthly; I think the comic is well out of publication now, but back in the late 90s/early 00s they ran a comic called Bloodquest - about a Blood Angels Captain on a quest to find a sword. Most of the Marines portrayed on that, if not Arnold level, were quite built.

I remember that. First warhammer fluff I ever read. It was bloody legendary. I'm actually hoping to find a copy of that somewhere :/
And Marines look different depending on...the marines. I.e in Salamander, Tsu'gan is bigger than Iagon who they describe as 'Slight' (might have Iagons name wrong).

I had a haunting image of a space marine in a pair of Y fronts...

They don't wear Y fronts because they don't need to.

In the Graham McNeill Ultramarines books, it describes the character as wearing a loose, blue chiton of some sort

I think I've definately read about Loken wearing a body glove under the armour in HH series. Even to a point where the scrap with the Interex is going off and Lokens Body glove reacts on a molecular level to make the PA more responsive? A friend is reading my HH books so cannot confirm. Please dont beat on me if I'm wrong!!!

karimabuseer wrote:

zegna wrote:

The Odessey wrote:Why are people saying all extremely buff? Where's the source for that? In the Guard Ominbus, the final few pages details a Death Spector Space Marine and an extremely tall thin (lanky?) but well toned guy in a toga.
Where does it say they look like Arnie in the 80s?


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Most traditional material shows SM's to be fairly big bulk wise. Try Warhammer Monthly; I think the comic is well out of publication now, but back in the late 90s/early 00s they ran a comic called Bloodquest - about a Blood Angels Captain on a quest to find a sword. Most of the Marines portrayed on that, if not Arnold level, were quite built.

I remember that. First warhammer fluff I ever read. It was bloody legendary. I'm actually hoping to find a copy of that somewhere :/
And Marines look different depending on...the marines. I.e in Salamander, Tsu'gan is bigger than Iagon who they describe as 'Slight' (might have Iagons name wrong).

Interesting, I shall have to find one of these.........

i've read mostly of body gloves and, as said above, combat fatigues. i think one book also mentions a simple loincloth being worn, perhaps by a csm.