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Monster Rain wrote:I didn't realize people hate MP3 players and/or Smartphones so much.
How odd.
I love smartphones and MP3 players. I dislike Apple products and Steve Jobs and I REALLY dislike a rather large amount of Apple product users.
Because your a bandwagon hopper who thinks that his stupid opinion means anything to apple? God I'm sick of you kinds of People. "I hate apple, everything it makes, everything it stands for and all of it's customers because...It's bad for gaming and they're too shiny"
Apple is leading the way into the 21st century with its products while the PC companies like HP, Dell and Sony are making the same crap they did at the turn of the century. Apple is resonsible for almost every advancement in recent technology that consumers use:
Computers, phones and music. They are the standard to which all other companies should aspire to.
Have you ever picked up an Ipod and actually thought about how far superior it is to every other Mp3 player out there? Every used a mac and considered how efficient and reliable it is? Ever picked up an iphone and realized that every piece of crap on the market is a bad attempt to copy the iphone's genius? Of course not.
On topic, i was wondering what the world would be like if kurt cobain was still alive...I honestly think it would be a much different place. Better? Maybe not..Different though.
IG_urban wrote:it has nothing to do with needing to be on a team, man. You team is chosen for you by what computer you have. I live and work in a city that is extremely divided, as is my school. Apple and PC are like perisa and sparta in Seattle. Not only do I live in Seattle, I study and work in the high tec/gaming/animation production area, where what computer you use is VITALLY important. It's an ongoing thing, this debate. I guess you don't get it?
Automatically Appended Next Post: EDIT: yeah, New Hampshire...you don't get it.
You're a 19 year old hater that just started going to a design college and decided to rebel against the "norm". It's not hard to get it.
For reference the Ipod is the third MP3 player I've owned. The first was a sandisk, the second was a zune. You're just a fanboi that externalizes hate that has no logical basis or reason. We're in this exact same conversation in another thread in fact! I'm also attending likely what is either the same or a very similar major at my college. We have the same platform war. You're just not enough of an adult to rise above it.
Im 23 and in my 3rd year of a BFA in Media Arts and animation at very nice school, following an Associates in Business, you ass. Get off your high horse and go feth yourself.
It's not just hate. It's dislike of extreme proprietary design in both software and hardware, it's exorbitant overpricing, it's lack of user-based modification and repair, it's the alienation of it's users, etc.
rise above it? like I go an badmouth every mac user I see? no...take the piss out of some dbag online that has a iPhone? definitely.
There's a word for that.
Drink deeply and lustily from the foamy draught of evil.
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Haters gon' hate.
Apple is leading the way into the 21st century with its products while the PC companies like HP, Dell and Sony are making the same crap they did at the turn of the century. Apple is resonsible for almost every advancement in recent technology that consumers use: Computers, phones and music. They are the standard to which all other companies should aspire to.
Technically a lot of OSX's good attributes are refinements lifted from other unix based platforms and microsoft has done quite a bit to revolutionize the computer space over the last few years. The Ipod and mobile market is basically apples plaything at this point, but their only real advancement in the last few years in the PC OS space is interface driven and fairly iterative. Most of their other side projects are somewhat gimmicky (appletv) but not particularly interesting or inventive.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Samus_aran115 wrote:Because your a bandwagon hopper who thinks that his stupid opinion means anything to apple? God I'm sick of you kinds of People. "I hate apple, everything it makes, everything it stands for and all of it's customers because...It's bad for gaming and they're too shiny"
I don't care what Apple thinks of my opinion.
It's not just hate. It's dislike of extreme proprietary design in both software and hardware, it's exorbitant overpricing, it's lack of user-based modification and repair, it's the alienation of it's users, etc.
Samus_aran115 wrote:Apple is leading the way into the 21st century with its products while the PC companies like HP, Dell and Sony are making the same crap they did at the turn of the century. Apple is resonsible for almost every advancement in recent technology that consumers use:
Computers, phones and music. They are the standard to which all other companies should aspire to.
No they aren't. Almost every aspect of the iPhone was pioneered by Korean electronics companies. What have they advanced in music? except capitalize on the demonization of Napster and start an online music store along with hundreds of others? So you think other companies should aspire to creating overpriced gadgets that they can charge insane amounts for because of a brand?
Samus_aran115 wrote:Have you ever picked up an Ipod and actually thought about how far superior it is to every other Mp3 player out there? Every used a mac and considered how efficient and reliable it is? Ever picked up an iphone and realized that every piece of crap on the market is a bad attempt to copy the iphone's genius? Of course not.
Macs are not reliable, at all, if you are doing anything taxing on the system, they are just as reliable as PCs, except with macs, data re aquisition after a crash is nearly impossible. The iphone is just a hodge podge of "copied" genius already pioneered by different companies, Apple just had the wherewithal and the resources and the good timing to do it all together and market it correctly.
No they aren't. Almost every aspect of the iPhone was pioneered by Korean electronics companies.
No, actually no. Neither Samsung, nor HTC developed the advancements in the Iphone. You're just flailing at this point, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Are you talking about the A4 chip or something? Did you listen to a gizmodo podcast once and draw all of your opinions from it?
What have they advanced in music? except capitalize on the demonization of Napster and start an online music store along with hundreds of others?
Itunes and legal digital distribution. It was pretty revolutionary and no one feels sad that you couldn't get your limp bizkit album on kaazaa without looking over your shoulder.
So you think other companies should aspire to creating overpriced gadgets that they can charge insane amounts for because of a brand?
At this point you're just making uninformed and clearly juvenile rants. You should sit back and take a deep breath.
Macs are not reliable, at all, if you are doing anything taxing on the system, they are just as reliable as PCs, except with macs, data re aquisition after a crash is nearly impossible.
That doesn't even make sense. Macs don't perform 256 pass hard drive formats whenever they crash, the data is just as retrievable. You legitimately don't understand the words you're attempting to string together.
The iphone is just a hodge podge of "copied" genius already pioneered by different companies, Apple just had the wherewithal and the resources and the good timing to do it all together and market it correctly.
I'm IG Urban. I will never support any of these opinions. I have no reason to say most of them. I'm basically just trolling everyone because cody didn't invite me to his 21st and when mom washed my turtleneck it turned red.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Mr Mystery wrote:ENOUGH! Piss off and have your pointless little arguement elsewheres! Like PMs.
In the meantime, another reason to rue the passing of the 90's....
But that song came out and you can listen to it whenever you want on the internet. Why are you sad about that? It's not like we're not allowed to listen to 90's music any more.
I do it all the time!
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Apple is leading the way into the 21st century with its products while the PC companies like HP, Dell and Sony are making the same crap they did at the turn of the century. Apple is resonsible for almost every advancement in recent technology that consumers use:
Computers, phones and music. They are the standard to which all other companies should aspire to.
Apple making advancements in technology? All they are doing, and in fact all they have ever done, is take existing ideas and repackage them in their own branding. The only difference nowadays is their product is actually of a decent quality. Go back ten or so years and the only thing the mac had over the pc for example, was it looked better. At the time it was an inferior piece of kit. They make their money by putting the ideas together. Mp3 players, music library software and online mp3 stores were all well established before apple brought out the ipod, itunes and the connected itunes store all under one branding.
No they aren't. Almost every aspect of the iPhone was pioneered by Korean electronics companies.
No, actually no. Neither Samsung, nor HTC developed the advancements in the Iphone. You're just flailing at this point, you really have no idea what you're talking about. Are you talking about the A4 chip or something? Did you listen to a gizmodo podcast once and draw all of your opinions from it?
What have they advanced in music? except capitalize on the demonization of Napster and start an online music store along with hundreds of others?
Itunes and legal digital distribution. It was pretty revolutionary and no one feels sad that you couldn't get your limp bizkit album on kaazaa without looking over your shoulder.
So you think other companies should aspire to creating overpriced gadgets that they can charge insane amounts for because of a brand?
At this point you're just making uninformed and clearly juvenile rants. You should sit back and take a deep breath.
Macs are not reliable, at all, if you are doing anything taxing on the system, they are just as reliable as PCs, except with macs, data re aquisition after a crash is nearly impossible.
That doesn't even make sense. Macs don't perform 256 pass hard drive formats whenever they crash, the data is just as retrievable. You legitimately don't understand the words you're attempting to string together.
The iphone is just a hodge podge of "copied" genius already pioneered by different companies, Apple just had the wherewithal and the resources and the good timing to do it all together and market it correctly.
I'm IG Urban. I will never support any of these opinions. I have no reason to say most of them. I'm basically just trolling everyone because cody didn't invite me to his 21st and when mom mom washed my turtleneck it turned red.
Yes, actually yes. I am speaking of the Touch Screen, Real Time web browsing, HTML support, And the basic idea of a smart phone. Just because it doesnt sell in America, does not mean it doesnt exist. I am not flailing at all.
I don't listen to Limp Bizkit. Never used Limewire or Kazaa, and have never paid for music unless it was buying albums directly from an artists' site.
How is that uninformed? Don't go around throwing accusations you can't back up.
I understand exactly what I am talking about. And the data is NOT just as retrievable, it just isn't. In a emergency data loss situation, especially.
If I am trolling, then you are the master of all trolls.
Apple making advancements in technology? All they are doing, and in fact all they have ever done, is take existing ideas and repackage them in their own branding.
The smartphone is largely attributed to be apples brainchild, as is digital music distribution.
Go back ten or so years and the only thing the mac had over the pc for example, was it looked better. At the time it was an inferior piece of kit. They make their money by putting the ideas together.
Yeah, the company is a genuine "back from the ashes" story. A decade ago google didn't exist though, so really, I think you're focusing on things that are largely irrelevant.
Mp3 players, music library software and online mp3 stores were all well established before apple brought out the ipod, itunes and the connected itunes store all under one branding.
Actually... No. The MP3 player library was not well established. In fact it was largely unknown, with poor products featuring little support and generally poor designs. Itunes certainly had absolutely no competition at launch, and most of it's critics believed it was a poor concept that was too daring in a world dominated by the CD sale.
Seriously, this argument is just counterculture BS with no historical perspective. I expected better whatwhat.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
This is a bad thread and you should all feel bad
Apple making advancements in technology? All they are doing, and in fact all they have ever done, is take existing ideas and repackage them in their own branding.
The smartphone is largely attributed to be apples brainchild, as is digital music distribution.
Go back ten or so years and the only thing the mac had over the pc for example, was it looked better. At the time it was an inferior piece of kit. They make their money by putting the ideas together.
Yeah, the company is a genuine "back from the ashes" story. A decade ago google didn't exist though, so really, I think you're focusing on things that are largely irrelevant.
Mp3 players, music library software and online mp3 stores were all well established before apple brought out the ipod, itunes and the connected itunes store all under one branding.
Actually... No. The MP3 player library was not well established. In fact it was largely unknown, with poor products featuring little support and generally poor designs. Itunes certainly had absolutely no competition at launch, and most of it's critics believed it was a poor concept that was too daring in a world dominated by the CD sale.
Seriously, this argument is just counterculture BS with no historical perspective. I expected better whatwhat.
Again, my point was they wre all existing products and it was apples re branding and bringing together which made the difference. You've said nothing to contradict that. Apple aren't inovators, they take existing stuff and rebrand it. There were touch screens and web browsers, camers etc. on phones before the iphone. They packaged them up and rebranded the product.
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Yes, actually yes. I am speaking of the Touch Screen, Real Time web browsing, HTML support, And the basic idea of a smart phone.
Those were featurephones. A smartphone is classified by it's inbuilt ability to load and alter programs on the fly. The closest we really had was windows mobile which was basically a straight port of win95 to the mobile space (and was pretty dysfuncional).
It sold in america. In fact America was the primary audience for the smartphone (cheap featurephones were the norm in asia) you just have no perspective concerning product design or history on this issue. It shows plain as day.
I am not flailing at all.
I'm sure you don't think so.
I don't listen to Limp Bizkit. Never used Limewire or Kazaa, and have never paid for music unless it was buying albums directly from an artists' site.
except capitalize on the demonization of Napster and start an online music store along with hundreds of others?
Well you certainly seem to have an awful strong opinion concerning the issue.
How is that uninformed? Don't go around throwing accusations you can't back up.
It's uninformed because you legitimatly don't know what you're talking about and think volume and place of your college make you somehow correct.
I understand exactly what I am talking about. And the data is NOT just as retrievable, it just isn't. In a emergency data loss situation, especially.
Please, explain to me why it isn. Explain how the hard disk is somehow depolarizing because my mac crashed.
Please. Explain it to me.
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ShumaGorath wrote:
Apple making advancements in technology? All they are doing, and in fact all they have ever done, is take existing ideas and repackage them in their own branding.
The smartphone is largely attributed to be apples brainchild, as is digital music distribution.
Go back ten or so years and the only thing the mac had over the pc for example, was it looked better. At the time it was an inferior piece of kit. They make their money by putting the ideas together.
Yeah, the company is a genuine "back from the ashes" story. A decade ago google didn't exist though, so really, I think you're focusing on things that are largely irrelevant.
Mp3 players, music library software and online mp3 stores were all well established before apple brought out the ipod, itunes and the connected itunes store all under one branding.
Actually... No. The MP3 player library was not well established. In fact it was largely unknown, with poor products featuring little support and generally poor designs. Itunes certainly had absolutely no competition at launch, and most of it's critics believed it was a poor concept that was too daring in a world dominated by the CD sale.
Seriously, this argument is just counterculture BS with no historical perspective. I expected better whatwhat.
Again, my point was they wre all existing products and it was apples re branding and bringing together which made the difference. You've said nothing to contradict that. Apple aren't inovators, they take existing stuff and rebrand it. There were touch screens and web browsers, camers etc. on phones before the iphone. They packaged them up and rebranded the product.
If thats your requirement for an innovator then no company innovates anything. Ideas are universally iterative and products and services are iterative by definition, catering to a demand that exists before the product does. This is a poor argument WhatWhat. The cellphone followed the introduction of the radiotower and the phone, thus it can't have ever been new by that definition. Radio tuners followed the introduction of single band frequency antennas, thus radios could never be new by that definition. This list continuities all the way back until the discovery of fire and its a bs argument that one would only use if they truly understood nothing about design and the logic of invention.
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whatwhat wrote:Again, my point was they wre all existing products and it was apples re branding and bringing together which made the difference. You've said nothing to contradict that. Apple aren't inovators, they take existing stuff and rebrand it. There were touch screens and web browsers, camers etc. on phones before the iphone. They packaged them up and rebranded the product.
If thats your requirement for an innovator then no company innovates anything. Ideas are universally iterative and products and services are iterative by definition, catering to a demand that exists before the product does. This is a poor argument WhatWhat.
Erm, no. The peole who first made the touch screen, mp3 player, online music store. They are innovators. Some people are actually innovators. Hey maybe theyre are some intricate things in a few of their products that Apple actually have inovated. The orignal post I was responding to though stated they are the only company who have made any technological advancements in recent times. Which is untrue on two counts. One being that's not the case. And two , Apple arent that much of an innovator.
ShumaGorath wrote:This list continuities all the way back until the discovery of fire and its a bs argument that one would only use if they truly understood nothing about design and the logic of invention.
See now you're just being a douche. Take a break or something.
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I know what I am talking about. If you want to continue this pissing contest, PM me. We can debate forever. Maybe there you wont go out of your way to get personal with your comments so you look like a big cool guy in front of everybody.
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