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Mattieau wrote:You would measure after the rotation, because pivoting doesnt count as movement. Thus, from the front of the hull's location after the rotation, to it's location after the movement, it has moved 12 inches.

And this is exactly the point I've spent three pages making, but apparently by the twisted logic of the naysayers this point either doesn't exist or comes across in a jumble. You said that ^ and they heard "Xrtbt lroda gosdfdsd asdoka ggk odfksdd, binfeif plolsdokg okdjisd gjfgdf ds okefodkfv. Thfg, foke sij sokda ok wnf dijwa okgmvsdks wdokd aos gjifgjidf, ij okd jisdjas aokgo dsd jifgjifgb, ij nmc dfijsvv wd ijasdied."

Seriously:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/294492.page

Read. This. Thread.

It is legit, it is legal. It has been this way for TWELVE FREAKING YEARS.

If it were a "loophole", it would have been closed by now.

Free rotation as SaintHazard said. Nuff said. Yes it is that simple and yes this argument has happened like everywhere a million times. It is tournament legal. That being said you can't argue it at all anywhere, anytime unless it's been agreed upon as a house rule that it can't be done therefore changing the rules of the game. I don't need to be quoted and argued with so don't bother I wont respond. I'm just pointing out and agreeing with the obvious(mainly only to those that play WAAC style or are just natural major tacticians in a wargame and that's how they have fun).

Mattieau wrote:You would measure after the rotation, because pivoting doesnt count as movement. Thus, from the front of the hull's location after the rotation, to it's location after the movement, it has moved 12 inches.

and if you have moved more than 12" from your original position that would mean you did not follow the rules, yes Pivoting does not subtract movement, but it does not add movement either.

I dont get the whole discussion here... oO

This is just normal tournament procedure. Dark eldar use that trick for ages.

so back up some inches and you wont receive a 1st turn charge. Simple trick, simple counter^^

I think we've covered all of the usual arguments by this point. Moving on.