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Have sent you a PM dude to sort things out but the more the merrier I reckon.

Use those USR. Relentless for heavy/rapid fire weapons. Feel no pain, Scout, furious charge or even eternal warrior for multi-wound models.

Note to all. We might want to start a scrap earlier at this rate to make sure we get all the games in.

Ta y'all

Taloncab wrote:That signiture is plain outrageous and over-optimistic

But what about the reserves?

According to the bottom left handside of the deployment page for KT its says you cant have any...

But thats all I know,


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Taloncab wrote:Have sent you a PM dude to sort things out but the more the merrier I reckon.

Note to all. We might want to start a scrap earlier at this rate to make sure we get all the games in.

Thanks for that mate

I can make it earlier not an issue at all for me.

It works like this.

The Kill Team mission in the Battle Missions book says you cannot put any units in reserve. So this means that deepstrikers, normal reserving and outflanking does not work.

However, there are a number of Codex specific instances which overrides this:

1. The entire Chaos Daemons army
2. Lictors for Tyranids
3. Deepstriking terminators whose terminator armour wargear entry indicates that they can deepstrike no matter the mission. Space Wolves CANNOT do this.

Hopefully this clarifies the situation.

I'm curious, Chuah, does it say somewhere that the codex trumps the Battle Missions book? Sure it's in black and white that it supersedes the rules in the BRB, but does it say the same for Battle Missions?

It may say so in the Battle Missions book itself, I've got no idea. My copy has gone walkies somewhere.

If you look in the Space Marine, Chaos Space Marine and Blood Angels codexes - not sure about the rest - it says that terminators can deepstrike no matter the mission.

Quoting verbatim from the CSM book, pgae 86, "they may always start the game in Reserve and arrive using the Deep Strike rules, even if it is not part of the mission being played".

Since Kill Team is a type of mission (as opposed to the ones in the BRB), the wording for terminator armour would still apply, being that terminators can ignore these restrictions.

In reality though, feel free to house rule it and inform participants in the Boro tourney that terminators cannot deepstrike - this should solve your problem if you feel that it doesn't fit the tourney.

The kill team rules usually allow vehicles but most KT tourneys house rule that vehicles can't be used anyway!

I wouldn't mind vehicles as long as armour didn't go above 10 at any point, I think it'd be a laugh.

i wouldnt care if the deep struck like

Nah, not me either. Let's allow it then. Still I say no vehicles still. I'd happy say arm 10 ok, but we've already set the parameters, i think too late to really change now.

Yeh keep no vehicles as they are gay. so time to bust out the vanguard vets and heroic intervention them (maybe not) dont think anyone will take ds stuff anyways. do they have to drop as a unit or seperate, as they deploy as seperate models

Well the idea of KT is that there's tons of cover around, so if you deepstrike then be prepared to lose your guys to deepstrike mishaps.

I don't mind so much but the idea of someone starting a game with no models on the table bothers me...

Maybe play it that deepstrikers have to deepstrike on the first turn? With no turn limit, they have to show up sometime anyhow so it's pointless the other player shuffling his guys around a blank table waiting for the dice to roll right.

Taloncab wrote:Have sent you a PM dude to sort things out but the more the merrier I reckon.

Use those USR. Relentless for heavy/rapid fire weapons. Feel no pain, Scout, furious charge or even eternal warrior for multi-wound models.

Note to all. We might want to start a scrap earlier at this rate to make sure we get all the games in.

Ta y'all

What is the actual format of the tournament? Are we going to have straight knockout though to a final?

If so, may want to limit the total players to 16 (assuming we can get many!) and then we can set the matchups, so if anyone can maybe get in an early game for the first round and report their result, it could speed things up on the day.

I'm more than happy to RANDOMLY SELECT the matchups from the comfort of my bathroom and post the tournament tree on here... if you wish... ;-)

OK - not that anyone will be using, but if we do deepstrike non-daemon stuff (daemons all pop down 1st turn) then each individual model must roll to come one. It means there is a risk of your guys dripping down onto the battlefield but that's just tough.

On the tournament format. We'll be using a group system so everyone gets a few games at least. The top players in the groups will then play each other world cup KO stylee (winner group A takes on runner up group B etc.) I'll send more details closer to the time but that's how it will go.

We'll be drawing the groups in front of everyone before the tourney starts so no accusations of cheating.

More details to follow soon but please be aware that your final list must be PM'd/emailed to me by Friday 15th at the latest for me to check etc.

One last thing. We should ideally play wysiwyg but what is everyone's opinion on minor proxying?

Chris

no proxi guns etc this counts as, and no inprint 40k models used as other things like my normal assault marines are actually vanguard vets (unless propperly converted)

Battlecannon it phil wrote:no proxi guns etc this counts as, and no inprint 40k models used as other things like my normal assault marines are actually vanguard vets (unless propperly converted)

What about a power sword that is err no longer powerful...

swords are fine, fist are a bit touch and go pisses me off when people dont use them

OK fair enough. As this is as much about modelling and painting as anything else let's say wysiwyg. Powerswords that aren't powerful erm as long as you make clear, but fists have to be fists or an obvious similar thing.

C

Looks like I'm changing my list then!

yeh means that i wont play harliquins as only have 3 ish with kiss and they have plazma pistols as well that i wouldnt pay for so. things that would be annoying is 20 guard vets with camo cloaks , then they are just mordians with no cloaks on the figs, glad this sort of thing isnt allowed.

Taloncab wrote:OK fair enough. As this is as much about modelling and painting as anything else let's say wysiwyg. Powerswords that aren't powerful erm as long as you make clear, but fists have to be fists or an obvious similar thing.

C

No problem to me that like.

Taloncab wrote:your final list must be PM'd/emailed to me by Friday 15th at the latest for me to check etc.

Are you posting your list on Friday 15th, then?

I myself will have to select a new list. I was going to have 7 sternguard, and use two devastator models as stern with heavy weapons, but if we're going to be massively strict then this wouldn't be a possibility.

I'm a bit worried this will make people feel a little excluded. Anyone else have an opinion either way?

Yeah, I think it's perhaps a little late in the race to announce that it's strictly wysiwyg. I for one will have to play something different to what I had planned because I just don't have the time/cash to prepare something especially for this... unfortunately there's nothing in my CSM list or Necron list that would be particularly good.

The only thing I would have a problem with is if it was overly confusing

If it's very simple to follow, for example all grenade launchers are plasma guns or something I'm fine with that

How about a power fist as a powersword i dont think that's too confusing.

yeh i supose a unit of mainly sternguard with 2 devs in fine, but my granade launchers are actually plazma guns is not in my eyes, and his powerfist is actually a power sword rubbish as well. get silly my 5 uriki are actually thunder hammer storm shield terms. wysisyg should be for all weapons so their is no confusion.

Hi everyone.

Right - we're all sorted for next Sunday (17th). We have a pretty much full capacity of 12 (just waiting on one confirmation) and despite the shop no longer having a games room we have two tables reserved from 12:30.

More details to follow

Chris

Okay, two groups... A & B, 6 players each group.

Everyone plays each other once? That's going to be 15 games per table, before you get to the semi finals and finals.

Shop kicks out around 16:30, so that works out at 16 minutes per game with the semi's and final being fought over the bench outside the early learning centre.

How does that sound?

LoL sounds pretty extreme, looks like we are extremely short of time, any possibility of starting earlier ?

It'll have to be knockout then instead of a league I guess.

The Early Learning Centre has some awesome terrain... just think of the wooden railways!