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I like FO3s darkness and bleakness, I remember on my way to fort constantine seeing the SatComm arrays and the subtle music in the back ground (sad music) made it all feel so real.

I loved pc because not only could I download awesome Barret 50.cal mods that were so powerful they would throw a car a couple metres, I could (once i had beaten the game) go back and cheat for some awesome weapons like the MIRV and the dart gun and go exploring and find some truly awesome stuff like Oasis and the Keller Family Transcripts and stuff like that.

I fear (now i have an xbox) that i will not be able to do this. On pc if i ran into a pack of deathclaws on my way to some place that id spent ages walking to and I hadnt saved lately, Id cheat for a good gun and kill them, then remove it and continue, just to smooth things out.


Now in vegas i would beat it legit first, but Itd be nice If i could aquire a high powered rifle early to use as kind of my premier super weapon, pwn everyone with it (when you cheat for a weapon they are fully repaired and last ages) and try to keep it going the whole game


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Not much different, I gave charon a scoped 44 magnum and cheated for 1000 ammo so he could use it for a long time.

Without that ammo, he would have burnt it all in a matter of minutes.


Hell he was helpful tho! He would kill every second enemy!

@agnosto: You don't naturally fall in with the Legion but you can do quests for them, usually involving killing NCR leaders.

You run into the Legion early on at Nipton. At that point, you can be rather nice to them and gain rep. Plus, they give you a quest to talk to the NCR, which gives you the option to attack the NCR.

The Legion isn't exactly welcoming to outsiders, so there's not the same level of support for the PC in doing their quests, but you certainly can work with them early on.

I realize all of what you both have mentioned; however, I'm simply stating it would make the game more enjoyable (for me at least) if it allowed you to choose both sides instead of the countless NCR missions you can undertake or the few Legion ones and their general apathy.

The game itself is not as morally ambiguous as the developers state if you can't interact equally with both major players.

Game is pretty good so far, I played through all of FO3 and its DLC (not to mention fallout 1, 2, and tactics back in the day).

I'm enjoying it so far, although I did turn off Hardcore mode as I found it to just be distracting more than entertaining. I was jumping around with fast travel quite a bit, so it was kind of annoying me.

I thought DC was a much cooler place than vegas, but its fine, hopefully some of the DLC will open up some cool new places.

Starting out, I was pretty annoyed by a lot of stuff, like a point-blank 10mm pistol not killing someone without a helmet on. But now that I have a unique sniper rifle, and probably will soon have an anti-material rifle, I basically kill everything in one shot, especially if I'm sneaking.

The legion crucifying people was a bit over the top, and when I met them in... whatever that first town you meet them in, I just killed them all. Ruling through fear and an iron fist doesn't have to be displayed by having people crucified and an entire city burned, lol.

They really changed the weapon damages though. In FO3, a plasma rifle was awesome, in vegas, they pretty much are terrible compared to even a hunting rifle. However, I'd rather have this than the crap that happened at higher scaling levels in FO3, like getting headshots with the gauss rifle in point lookout only for it to take a 1/4 of a healthbar from an unarmored hillbilly.

Unfortunately, I can't get my Chinese steath-suit with a built in stealth boy (to pretend I'm a vindicare assassin), oh well :p

Probably should have gotten it on PC as well, aiming sucks on the xbox.

Do people really prefer downtown DC to Freeside and the Strip?

There's a mod for the PC that does instakills on headshots.

@Manchu, I think the the Majave and DC both have their charms. Running around Mojave gets old though, "Oh look, another hill!"

I'm with DC for the time being, though that's mostly because I've spent too much time there. Maybe the Mojave just needs to grow on me. Mojave needs to lose the invisible walls though.

I was talking about the urban centers.

Overall, I prefer Mojave. It seems more characterful to me. Obviously I have a lot of nostalgia for the Capital Wasteland after spending upwards of 300 hours cruising around. But I thought Downtown DC was a lot more disappointing (maybe aside from the Mall) than the (still disappointing) Strip or Freeside.

Manchu wrote:Do people really prefer downtown DC to Freeside and the Strip?

Yeah, I totally do.

Fallout 3 felt more like a real civilization in ruins than New Vegas. New Vegas is a bit more Mad Max style of "The apocalypse will result in people living in the desert", which is kinda lame, IMO.

DC has a lot more important landmarks than Vegas. I still remember the feeling when you first get to the Mall in FO3 and see the wrecked Capital Building on one side, and a crumbling Washington Monument on the other. It was half breathtaking and half really sad.

Seeing some casinos and small towns I've never heard of being wrecked doesn't trigger my actual caring side.

I haven't been to Hoover Dam yet, but I don't think that will do it either.

(And, as an FYI: I live in Chicago and have visited both cities, so I don't have any unfair attachment to DC or Vegas)

I see your point. But there just wasn't much to do in downtown DC. It was a half hour in a metro and then fifteen minutes against muties and Talon mercs with little to no interactivity with the scenery. At least you can talk to people and get quests on the Strip and in Freeside.

The King is a pretty cool guy.

Yeah, very likable. When I first stumbled upon him, I thought "whattachump" but he's all there.

The thing about Nevada that's striking me is that really everything is pretty fine. Food is growing out in the wilderness, clean water is plentiful and life just seems easier than the blasted wasteland of DC.
That's why I prefer DC is was just more post apocalytically. Playing hardcore mode in Nevada is easy because food, water and places to rest are plentiful. I think it would have been hard as hell in DC.

I hate the flying critters...they're just too fast.

I never thought I'd say it, but I kinda miss Three-Dog. I like Wayne Newton as Mister New Vegas with his soothing voice, but he hardly tells any new stuff. I'm guessing the radio is bugged as well, though I do chuckle every time they interview No-Bark.

Does New Vegas have the Oblivion problem of only having 4 Voice Actors?

I am currently re-playing Fallout 3 now, enjoying it a lot. I'll pick up NV once the DLC's and Patches and Mods and the unofficial Patches to fix the crap that shouldn't have gotten though in the first place are released.

Gwar! wrote:Does New Vegas have the Oblivion problem of only having 4 Voice Actors?

I am currently re-playing Fallout 3 now, enjoying it a lot. I'll pick up NV once the DLC's and Patches and Mods and the unofficial Patches to fix the crap that shouldn't have gotten though in the first place are released.

I just hope that it has more than 2 songs on the radio

@KC: DC was obviously a higher priority target than the Mojave desert. In fact, I have always been surprised that anything was left of DC--much less a mostly in-tact set of monuments and key government buidlings. In any case, the FO games before Bethesda focused less on the physical destruction of the world and more on the nearly total breakdown of modern, post-industrial society (and the effort to build something to replace it) because of that physical destruction. I think that's why a lot of people who played the earlier games found FO3 to be somewhat off-key.


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Gwar! wrote:Does New Vegas have the Oblivion problem of only having 4 Voice Actors?

Not at all! New Vegas does much better than FO3 in this regard, too. There are a lot more NPCs to speak with and many of them have unique voices.


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BrookM wrote:I never thought I'd say it, but I kinda miss Three-Dog.

Wow we are really on the same frequency (lol) lately, BrookM. I think about tuning into ThreeDog all the time while strolling the Mojave. The PS3 Mr New Vegas needs the volume turned way up to be reliably audible, even indoors.

Gwar! wrote:Does New Vegas have the Oblivion problem of only having 4 Voice Actors?

I am currently re-playing Fallout 3 now, enjoying it a lot. I'll pick up NV once the DLC's and Patches and Mods and the unofficial Patches to fix the crap that shouldn't have gotten though in the first place are released.

No, there's like 5 guys.

The voice acting is great and a huge variety. Even fairly minor characters have distinct voice actors. It's been so smooth, I haven't even thought about it before now.

And, I agree about the Radio Stations. In FO3, I always had Three Dog on. He was great and the music really helped set the mood. In New Vegas, it doesn't work as well. Both Mr. New Vegas and the music selection get on my nerves. I've actually turned off the radio.

Ya, Galaxy News Radio is way better than anything in Nevada.

Although I kinda like the Black Mountain Radio guys. Is that Mark Hammil!?


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Manchu wrote:@KC: DC was obviously a higher priority target than the Mojave desert. In fact, I have always been surprised that anything was left of DC--much less a mostly in-tact set of monuments and key government buidlings. In any case, the FO games before Bethesda focused less on the physical destruction of the world and more on the nearly total breakdown of modern, post-industrial society (and the effort to build something to replace it) because of that physical destruction. I think that's why a lot of people who played the earlier games found FO3 to be somewhat off-key.

Oh, its totally logical. I'm just saying. I like my Fallout Grim and Dark surprise, surprise.

On the radio thing. Is it just me or are there actually less songs than was in FO3?

much less. You can download Galaxy News Radio on the interweb. I think it had like 20 songs.(plus there were two other stations I didn't care for). Some NV stations seem to have like 3 songs.

@agnosto: There are more stations playing less songs each.

@KC: Yeah, it's a matter of preference. Fortunately, the choice is "which do you like better out of two awesome things?"

Fallout 3:

Galaxy News Radio had 20 songs.
Enclave Radio had 8 songs.
Agatha's Station had 5 songs.

Fallout New Vegas:

Radio New Vegas has 16 songs.
Mojave Music Radio has 9 songs
Black Mountain Radio has 6 songs.

But, a lot of the New Vegas songs are repeated across all 3 radio stations. Johnny Guitar definitely appears on all 3, and I'm pretty sure I've heard others.

(All info is from The Vault, so New Vegas isn't fully up to date yet)

I'm pretty well sick of Johnny Guitar.

Well, good news NV Fans.

So long as you weren't an idiot and bought the PC version, the ever so loved "There's more where that came from" mod for FO3's GNR (which adds 100 extra songs to GNR's playlist) is available for FO-NV!

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35984

In fact, just go to the main site:
http://www.newvegasnexus.com/index.php

Over 1,200 mods already uploaded and most of the good FO3 mods have been ported over already. There is even the Mod Manager which makes tweaking mod load orders super easy.

agnosto wrote:I'm pretty well sick of Johnny Guitar.

IIIIIII was allllllways a fooooool for my Johnny
For the oooone they call
Johnny Guitar

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

What'd I do with my recharger rifle??