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personaly i would drop the deciver and take the nightbringer and add some hv destroyers

Won't bother with a bat rep, since we never finished the game. Yes my opponent wasn't the best player and his list wasn't optimised, but I'll pick up some points from my game against him. Sry bad pics, took them with my phone.

I'm going first, 4 objectives, pitched battle. I deploy on the flank that has 3 objectives (One infront of my dep zone, one infront of my opps and one in the stonehedge). Notice the scarabs with disruption fields on the far flank. My opponent deployed artillery and a russ towards the centre, very lightly protected, so I used grand illusion to surprise him and managed to destroy the battle cannon by turn 2. I also repositioned one tomb spyder onto my far flank. Destroyer Lord is with the warriors




Most of my opps deployment




After my turn 1, one warrior squad starts swinging around towards the central objective and the rest advance. The scarabs turbo boost within charge range of the leman russ.



He, like most opponents, went for phase out and killing warriors. He kills about ten after wbb, but I reposition the newly raised warriors to the front, edging forward to get all guns within range of his leman russ executioner, immobilising it and then beginning to stun it. Fritz from WOSH calls it the necron slide, describing it's use in reaching objectives, but in an army like this, where there are loads of warriors, the necron slide gives amazing range to your gauss flayers.





Fast forward a turn or two and all he has been doing is shooting warriors, but I still have ~25 left. My Lord has sprung into combat in the guard lines, after jumping into a tomb spyder squad on the way for protection, and my monstrous creatures have lined up about to charge in next turn. One spyder took a wound from pooping scarabs.



It wasnt all rosy for me either. My monolith immobilised on turn two. I had been planning on driving it up to contest my opponent's objective. I lost one tomb spyder to outflanking penal legionniares and a handful of warriors.

We played out the turn after that last pic, with my MCs slamming into his lines, the deciever consolidating to contest the objective and the tomb spyders applying pressure to keep my opponent in his deployment zone.

There are some key elements I use when playing this list. Ofcourse this was against a shooty list, and doesn't show how I'd play against a CC army.

Question is that Monolith made of cardboard?

This list is ok...sort of.

First of all, pros that I see:
-both the deceiver and a monolith are good, because they draw fire and are able to survive it.

But that's about it.

Cons:
-with two separate LRBT s I can Phase you out turn two, no sweat. Sure you can send a squad of scarabs to hit them on turn two, but what are a dozen hits going to do when all you can do is glance?(I've tried similar things. It's really not that effective)
-there is really no benefit to having three separate scarab swarms of only three bases. If they were beefed up to full sized then you can make your enemy say when they see it but that's just about it.
-that res orb doesn't do you any good when it's halfway across the board.
-(I know it has been said but) this list lacks destroyers. You'd be surprised what an AP 4 multilaser can do on top of an MEQ jetbike.
-no effective anti tank. the monolith and the deceiver are too slow to be your main force against that.

Admittedly, I play a destroyer wing type army list, and the results are in my sig. About even, which is the best you can hope for with the current Necrons. That's why you'll get some people suggesting more destroyers.

Most importantly though: if this list works for you then use it as is!!! I have the same problem with some of my other army lists that they work great but don't look good on paper. Do whatever works best for you and I promise it will work to your benefit.

You need to kill 39 models turn by turn 2 to phase him out... may want to redo that math a little when he has 4 units of 10, 3 units of 3 (which he might have a better time putting th destroyer lord in the scarabs unit and turbo boosting turn one for a 2+ cover and then it may actually be able to hurt some infantry / stop tanks from shooting (yes... a 1 stops a tank from shooting... glancing or not)

The monolith will absorb no fire. I can grantee no player in their right mind will waist their time trying to pop that thing when it really doesn't do much. I would say its biggest asset is that it can contest. --- scratch that. No decent player in their right mind =P ---

I can see this kind of list winning... but really, I will admit only objective based games. Kill point games.. there is little chance of winning against a decent player.

killerturkey2 wrote:This list is ok...sort of.

First of all, pros that I see:
-both the deceiver and a monolith are good, because they draw fire and are able to survive it.

But that's about it.

Cons:
-with two separate LRBT s I can Phase you out turn two, no sweat. Sure you can send a squad of scarabs to hit them on turn two, but what are a dozen hits going to do when all you can do is glance?(I've tried similar things. It's really not that effective)
-there is really no benefit to having three separate scarab swarms of only three bases. If they were beefed up to full sized then you can make your enemy say when they see it but that's just about it.
-that res orb doesn't do you any good when it's halfway across the board.
-(I know it has been said but) this list lacks destroyers. You'd be surprised what an AP 4 multilaser can do on top of an MEQ jetbike.
-no effective anti tank. the monolith and the deceiver are too slow to be your main force against that.

Admittedly, I play a destroyer wing type army list, and the results are in my sig. About even, which is the best you can hope for with the current Necrons. That's why you'll get some people suggesting more destroyers.

Most importantly though: if this list works for you then use it as is!!! I have the same problem with some of my other army lists that they work great but don't look good on paper. Do whatever works best for you and I promise it will work to your benefit.

A few things:

How in fething hells name do you intend to phase him out on turn 2 with 2 pieplates and some random HB shots?????

A dozen hits will score 2 glances on average, which will stop the tank from shooting next turn. Still laughing?

Destroyerwing is not the only list for necrons, why do people have trouble grasping this??

About the LRBT nuking me. I actually only moved out with the lord once the gun had been blown off the LRBT. The other one was an executioner, and so I get wbbs from it anyway. The lord was with the warriors for the first 2 turns, and then he sped off to disrupt my opponenet and tarpit him in his deployment zone. Had the LRBT not lost it's gun, I would have stringed out to shoot it with gauss flayers. Once I get my warriors within 24'' I can just supress them each turn.

I'm sure destroyer wing is a fine good list. There are a lot of armies that relie on av10-11 tanks, atleast from side armour, and str6 heavy 3 will pop them. The thing is, you are paying 750 points for 15 of them, and what are you going to do when you have to contest objectives? You'll end up throwing away destroyers. That's really the reason why I started working on this list. I didn't want to risk any phase out numbers in contesting, and build my fighters around units that are not necron models. Scarabs are cheap contesters and survive a lot of non-flamer fire. Deciever and tomb spyders are not necron models. The lord is, and he is the only model that will contribute to phasing me out.

Against destroyer wing, target priority is simple, kill the destroyers. Against my list, are you going to go for phase out like that IG player playing me did, or are you gonna shoot at non-necron models? Sure kill points is difficult, but I don't have that much easy kill points when you think of it.

The main purpose of me posting up this list, was to give a different opinion and view on necrons. You can play destroyer wing and wraith wing all you want, I don't decide your armies for you, but maybe a couple of people will give the harvest list a swing. Ofcourse many of the tactics I use, like the necron slide, can be used in other lists, and not just this one.

Edit: Yes my monolith is made from cardboard, no wonder it failed its dangerous terrain test.

haizelhoff wrote:
Edit: Yes my monolith is made from cardboard, no wonder it failed its dangerous terrain test.

This made me lol

haizelhoff wrote:The main purpose of me posting up this list, was to give a different opinion and view on necrons.

I've seen this list a dozen plus times not this exact list but I've seen it. Their is one Necron player at my FLGS he's new, there was two others but they sold their armies (and this is the reason I got so many necrons myself), they have played different variation of this list. The problem is the "regular" people at my FLGS know all about the necrons and necron tactics. Once an opponent learns about how slow Necrons are, how horrible they are in CC, not to shoot at the Big F'in Pyramid thingy, or the Golden Flying Guy. They will start to roll this list.

This "list" gets wiped off the table every Saturday Night in Battle Creek, MI.

General_Chaos wrote:

haizelhoff wrote:The main purpose of me posting up this list, was to give a different opinion and view on necrons.

I've seen this list a dozen plus times not this exact list but I've seen it. Their is one Necron player at my FLGS he's new, there was two others but they sold their armies (and this is the reason I got so many necrons myself), they have played different variation of this list. The problem is the "regular" people at my FLGS know all about the necrons and necron tactics. Once an opponent learns about how slow Necrons are, how horrible they are in CC, not to shoot at the Big F'in Pyramid thingy, or the Golden Flying Guy. They will start to roll this list.

This "list" gets wiped off the table every Saturday Night in Battle Creek, MI.

Back again? I thought you said you were done here? Just had to come and have another poke, eh?

So, ignore the stuff that does the damage and try to kill 40 warriors with shooting? Then the MC's come and roll your army, GJ

Cmon guys no need to start a flame war. General_Chaos has stated his opinion.

Jabbdo wrote:So, ignore the stuff that does the damage and try to kill 40 warriors with shooting? Then the MC's come and roll your army, GJ

This says a lot about you. So let me get this straight your advocating taking down the Monolith? Killing the Deciever?

Whose shooting at a shooty army that is horrible in CC? YOU?

I wish this list was good, I wish Necron Warriors did kick booty, bottom line is they don't. I love the Necrons look and the fluff. I have been stocking up waiting for the new codex.

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:So, ignore the stuff that does the damage and try to kill 40 warriors with shooting? Then the MC's come and roll your army, GJ

This says a lot about you. So let me get this straight your advocating taking down the Monolith? Killing the Deciever?

No. I'm not.

Jabbdo wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:So, ignore the stuff that does the damage and try to kill 40 warriors with shooting? Then the MC's come and roll your army, GJ

This says a lot about you. So let me get this straight your advocating taking down the Monolith? Killing the Deciever?

No. I'm not.

This was sarcasm right? What are you saying?

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:So, ignore the stuff that does the damage and try to kill 40 warriors with shooting? Then the MC's come and roll your army, GJ

This says a lot about you. So let me get this straight your advocating taking down the Monolith? Killing the Deciever?

No. I'm not.

This was sarcasm right? What are you saying?

Read what I wrote, that is what I am saying.

Jabbdo wrote:

killerturkey2 wrote:This list is ok...sort of.

First of all, pros that I see:
-both the deceiver and a monolith are good, because they draw fire and are able to survive it.

But that's about it.

Cons:
-with two separate LRBT s I can Phase you out turn two, no sweat. Sure you can send a squad of scarabs to hit them on turn two, but what are a dozen hits going to do when all you can do is glance?(I've tried similar things. It's really not that effective)
-there is really no benefit to having three separate scarab swarms of only three bases. If they were beefed up to full sized then you can make your enemy say when they see it but that's just about it.
-that res orb doesn't do you any good when it's halfway across the board.
-(I know it has been said but) this list lacks destroyers. You'd be surprised what an AP 4 multilaser can do on top of an MEQ jetbike.
-no effective anti tank. the monolith and the deceiver are too slow to be your main force against that.

Admittedly, I play a destroyer wing type army list, and the results are in my sig. About even, which is the best you can hope for with the current Necrons. That's why you'll get some people suggesting more destroyers.

Most importantly though: if this list works for you then use it as is!!! I have the same problem with some of my other army lists that they work great but don't look good on paper. Do whatever works best for you and I promise it will work to your benefit.

A few things:

How in fething hells name do you intend to phase him out on turn 2 with 2 pieplates and some random HB shots?????

A dozen hits will score 2 glances on average, which will stop the tank from shooting next turn. Still laughing?

Destroyerwing is not the only list for necrons, why do people have trouble grasping this??

phase is easy. scarabs don't count towards the necron limit. all I have to do is destroy 30 warriors by turn two.
each tank attacks a separate squad. 1st turn each takes out about seven warriors each with the pie plates. no armor save and no wbb. nine heavy bolter shots makes light work of three MEQ s(there only robots, not gods).
even if you stop one from shooting second turn, I still have the second separate LRBT to knock out the last 10 warriors. done, turn two phase.(I've had it done to me on multiple occations)

(and by the way, I was never laughing)

that and I am fully aware that destroyer wing is not the only effective list for necrons, its just my only effective list. that doesn't mean it has to be his. remember I did say that if this list works for him then by all means he should use it.

I will say that I should have put this in less offensive terms and I apologize for that. I'm not trying to make enemies just give some advice.

thats under the assumption they are on the table turn one or even in LoS

playing one strategy is not playing the same strategy with a different list. There are a lot of ways to kill off necrons... they don't always work... they will a lot of the time though in 5th ed... but thats Games workshop's folly.

killerturkey2 wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:

killerturkey2 wrote:This list is ok...sort of.

First of all, pros that I see:
-both the deceiver and a monolith are good, because they draw fire and are able to survive it.

But that's about it.

Cons:
-with two separate LRBT s I can Phase you out turn two, no sweat. Sure you can send a squad of scarabs to hit them on turn two, but what are a dozen hits going to do when all you can do is glance?(I've tried similar things. It's really not that effective)
-there is really no benefit to having three separate scarab swarms of only three bases. If they were beefed up to full sized then you can make your enemy say when they see it but that's just about it.
-that res orb doesn't do you any good when it's halfway across the board.
-(I know it has been said but) this list lacks destroyers. You'd be surprised what an AP 4 multilaser can do on top of an MEQ jetbike.
-no effective anti tank. the monolith and the deceiver are too slow to be your main force against that.

Admittedly, I play a destroyer wing type army list, and the results are in my sig. About even, which is the best you can hope for with the current Necrons. That's why you'll get some people suggesting more destroyers.

Most importantly though: if this list works for you then use it as is!!! I have the same problem with some of my other army lists that they work great but don't look good on paper. Do whatever works best for you and I promise it will work to your benefit.

A few things:

How in fething hells name do you intend to phase him out on turn 2 with 2 pieplates and some random HB shots?????

A dozen hits will score 2 glances on average, which will stop the tank from shooting next turn. Still laughing?

Destroyerwing is not the only list for necrons, why do people have trouble grasping this??

phase is easy. scarabs don't count towards the necron limit. all I have to do is destroy 30 warriors by turn two.
each tank attacks a separate squad. 1st turn each takes out about seven warriors each with the pie plates. no armor save and no wbb. nine heavy bolter shots makes light work of three MEQ s(there only robots, not gods).
even if you stop one from shooting second turn, I still have the second separate LRBT to knock out the last 10 warriors. done, turn two phase.(I've had it done to me on multiple occations)

(and by the way, I was never laughing)

that and I am fully aware that destroyer wing is not the only effective list for necrons, its just my only effective list. that doesn't mean it has to be his. remember I did say that if this list works for him then by all means he should use it.

I will say that I should have put this in less offensive terms and I apologize for that. I'm not trying to make enemies just give some advice.

Assuming 7 hits with each pie plate (which you wont get, he WILL space out if facing blasts) you wound 6 times, and 3 die after cover saves. 9 HB shots, 4,5 hit, 3 wound, 1 more dead. Thats 4 necrons "dead" altogether by each russ (assuming you manage to hit 7 with the template and it doesnt scatter) Next turn, out of the 8 dead 4 WBB, 6 if porting through the lith. Next turn the russes will likely be suppressed.

I cant see how you really intend to kill 30 warriors by turn 2 with 2 russes. Sorry, but I just dont see it.

I am looking at the units and while I don't agree with some of it(C'tan bloooooows), I see alot of SYNERGY. This list is obviously for objectives, the OP stated that several times. Being able to move quickly where you need to go to CONTEST with the swarms is what it's amazing for Necrons. You're not gonna be moving those Destroyers anymore forward than to get LoS on what's about to die, and warriors are too slow to get there in time(alive). What the warriors lack in speed they make up for in durability at range, which is where they're gonna be most the game. Tomb Spyders are pulling more back from their dead squads into new ones AND pooping out more scarabs, which help tar-pit/contest/shield other units.

Personally I would drop the C'Tan, pick up another Monolith, drop the Lord down to bare bones basic with just a ResOrb. With the left over points get another bare bones Lord with ResOrb. Having another orb with help with bringing back more of your warriors, even from ignore armour...which you need. Having another Monolith in your list is an obvious benefit for multiple reasons.

Now does this list have horrible match-ups? Yes, but the OP ALLREADY SAID THAT! Don't just say, "Well my blah blah will yada yada...". Ask if he has a plan for when he has to face "blah blah and yada yada", maybe he allready has a plan for that that's outside the box....like using scarabs for fast contesters with a wicked cover save.

My mindset is to think of 40k Armies in Fantasy terms...and in my opinion Necrons are the ultimate Anvil unit you can go with. With a nice stat line and amazing endurance rules, they can stand up to any shooting the enemy has to offer...and CAN stand toe-to-toe with many of the units in 40k, as long as it's not dedicated CC, just like SM can. If he is really afraid of a unit coming from behind, Pariahs are an amazing Hammer unit and with a Lord attached I'ld be scared to have my unit coming in anywhere in his backfield.

Jabbdo wrote:Next turn, out of the 8 dead 4 WBB, 6 if porting through the lith. Next turn the russes will likely be suppressed.

Learn the rules. Doubled out warriors will not get a WBB. I don't give me the rez orb will be there because that lords suppose to be out tank hunting.

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:Next turn, out of the 8 dead 4 WBB, 6 if porting through the lith. Next turn the russes will likely be suppressed.

Learn the rules. Doubled out warriors will not get a WBB. I don't give me the rez orb will be there because that lords suppose to be out tank hunting.

Doubled out??

I find it fairly amusing that you've stated several times that you think the list is utter gak, and yet you keep coming back to flame it. Stop playing your broken record and move along, as you clearly have nothing of use to add here.

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:Next turn, out of the 8 dead 4 WBB, 6 if porting through the lith. Next turn the russes will likely be suppressed.

Learn the rules. Doubled out warriors will not get a WBB. I don't give me the rez orb will be there because that lords suppose to be out tank hunting.

Look at the game I played. If it isn't clear enough, the lord is deployed with the warriors. Once I destroyed the gun off the LRBT there was no reason to keep the rez orb back, since plasma gives me wbb, and so he sped off to my opponents deployment zone. YES, if I see loads of str8 pie plates I am going to leave the orb back. Why the hell would I otherwise pay for it?

haizelhoff wrote:Look at the game I played. If it isn't clear enough, the lord is deployed with the warriors.

I did look but your pictures look like they were painted by Van Goah. Kinda hard to really tell what's what

I know the pics suck, what I meant was read it. It says there right at the start of the report, when I'm talking about my deployment, that the lord is with the warriors. No need to be so negative.

Look, here's the thing...

First of all, I mentioned somewhere along that this list could work against some lists... And imo this list you played against didn't have much chance... Must say didn't study it too hard, but from my observation, IG didn't spam vehicles... Not saying that he's bad player because of it, but because that is related to my critic of your list... And that is anti-tanking... If it was chimera spam or similar, I don't see how you'd beat it...

Next, phasing out... To be realistic, necrons are hard to phase out with shooting... You can have 10 large blasts, but as long as lord is there and porting lith, they will survive... When I field necrons, my eldar friend prays that we don't play annihilation, because he knows that he will get 2KP in best case scenario... So enough with pointless discussions... BUT! When you get across CC army (like orks) it's game over with loads of warriors... As I (again) already said, until warriors get stubborn, they will get sweep advanced in cc... And that is imo biggest problem with your list (anti-tanking is a big problem, but then again what is anti-tank in cron dex??)...

Now, if you like your list, by all means play it! Don't bother what people say, test it, play it, get some experience with it... It is game and it's supposed to be fun, so play it whatever you like... If it was me, until crons get stubborn, I'd avoid lots of warriors and would go with destroyer wing or wraith wing (but since I primary have SM, crons are constrained with models that I own, so I play similar list to yours when I field them, but that is in certain friendly games where I feel they can do something)...

But if you're sticking with it, here are my thoughts that evolved during this discussions:
1. Lord... Now, there was some talking about tank-hunting lord and rez orb... IMO, your lord is too diversified to play any specific role, and if I recall you said that you use him as rez orb to warriors... If that is a case, drop destroyer body and gaze of flame, and stick him with warriors... You'll save some pts for other stuff... If you don't want rez orb for warriors, and want to tank hunt it, drop the rez orb and make him even more dangerous and stick him with scarabs... That way he will be more dangerous than he was now...

2. Scarabs... Well, squads of 3 are waste imo... I'd go with 2x5 squads with dd if at all, as I find them poor both in cc and in tank hunting... But ymmv

3. Lith... I'd add one more... I'd drop destroyer body and gaze of flame (45pts), scarabs, and there was something else but forgot during writing (and I can't go back to first page in review messages ) so I will edit it... I think lith is great, especially in your army... It will allow fast redeployment of warriors, solid anti-tanking and anti-infantry and good fire-magnet... With 2 liths and deciever, opponent won't feel so nice... And I think that is much better than bunch of scarabs...





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Now I remember! Tomb spyders! Well, they're ok, but imo too slow and easy to avoid... But then again not too expensive... But still I think lith would be better... With spyders and 2 squads of scarabs out, you have (almost) enough pts for lith... Drop some upgrades on lord and add more scarabs to df unit to go around and tank hunt... Or make your lord more powerfull in cc and give him those scarabs so he can go tank-hunting (you could even drop df on them in that case, as lord will be prime force for wrecking vehicles)...

Yea my lord is probably too pimped up. I could drop the excess fat on him, but unfortunately I really don't see the reason in taking on foot lords. You lose the ability to run with the warriors, but you gain t6 and a crazy threat/contesting range.

Well, still... It all depends... I think it would be smarter to take footy lord, but I usually play mobile lord myself for same reason

What about dropping spyders and scarabs for lith?

Chinchilla wrote:Well, still... It all depends... I think it would be smarter to take footy lord, but I usually play mobile lord myself for same reason

What about dropping spyders and scarabs for lith?

I need to buy a real lith anyway at some point, so I can try the list with 2 monoliths. The second monolith could also be a nice substitute for the deciever if poisoned weapons see a real spike as DE hit the scenes.

*Thread necromancy*

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