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What do you consider "good" antitank for necrons then?

And please dont say destroyerwing. Destroyerwing is balls.

I you can mathhammer/theoryhammer till the cows come home, but the bottom line is it has been weighted, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.

If your playing your 8 year old sister I am sure it just trounces, but if it ever hit the tables in my neck of the woods, seriously, it would be back in it's case quicker than it came out.

General_Chaos wrote:I you can mathhammer/theoryhammer till the cows come home, but the bottom line is it has been weighted, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.

If your playing your 8 year old sister I am sure it just trounces, but if it ever hit the tables in my neck of the woods, seriously, it would be back in it's case quicker than it came out.

Hay. My 8 year old sister is good at warhammer. Jerk.

Jabbdo wrote:What do you consider "good" antitank for necrons then?

And please dont say destroyerwing. Destroyerwing is balls.

Scarab swarm with dis fields, you can glance it to death right?


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striderx wrote:

mercer wrote:Yes. ..

Ah dude read this...

FlingitNow wrote:Lets redo the maths wioth the scouts properly equiped and supported:

Flamers hits normally about 7 with good 2" placing. But we'll go 6, remember the LSS will be right next to them.

6 S5 hits = 4 wounds = 1.33 down
6 S4 hits = 3 wounds = 1 down
4 BPs = 2 hits = 1 wound = .33 down

So 2.67 down before combat we'll round down to 2.

Scouts 16 Attacks = 8 hits = 4 wounds = 1.33 down (so 4 down it total on average now but we'll only count 1 towards combat res).

6 Necrons = 4 hits = 2wounds =1 dead Scout
4 PF attacks = 2 hits = 2 dead Necrons

Leadership test at LD6 and just 4 Warriors left eitherway I'm happy either I've swept you or I'm now in a nice Necron cusion and that's 2 of your 4 Warrior squads in fights they can't win.

Either I m confused, or both of you are confused about what you all are talking about.

Doesn't matter about that, he said the Scouts kill 2 Warriors then the power fist kills 2 Warriors that's 4 Warriors dead, which is LD6. I don't see what's confusing about it...

Chinchilla wrote:

the weasel king wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:

haizelhoff wrote:If you sweeping advance one squad, the warriors WBB into another squad

No they don't

I'm sorry, I just couldn't let this go once I read this with no one arguing it. It is quite easy to allow a wbb roll even when dying to a sweeping advance.

Step 1) Rez orb near the swept unit

Step 2a) another unit near the first unit
or
step 2b) tomb spyder near the first unit and a second unit within range of a tomb spyder.

I could see a multi-layered bubble wrap doing this.

wrong... You don't get wbb roll if swept away in either of those situations...

Please, Explain...I really want to hear this...

It's in the rules for sweeping advance. If you get swept the models get removed from the table, not killed. Thus, no wbb to make.

Updated WBB rules would likely fix this, but as of now, it is fail.

Yes, not only removed but rules say that no special rule can save them at this point... Total fail


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Oh, and as for anti-tanking, I agree... Necrons don't have competitive anti-tanks.... Lith can do something with that s9 ordance, and heavy-d can help...
But I still say destroyers, due to their mobility and semi-long range.... Maybe not most efficient way of taking down tank but is better than 10 warriors

Pvt. Jet wrote:It's in the rules for sweeping advance. If you get swept the models get removed from the table, not killed. Thus, no wbb to make.

Updated WBB rules would likely fix this, but as of now, it is fail.

Honestly, I disagree there. But as this is neither the time, nor the place, I will not argue that here.

Chinchilla wrote:Yes, not only removed but rules say that no special rule can save them at this point... Total fail

Really? Do you really have to be that aggressive to someone asking for a rules clarification? Just wow...

@Weasel king: Don't read into him too much. I called it a fail and he seconded what I said, exaggerating hit. No harshness involved.


Ok, so if we've resolved the WBB issue.... can we get back to list talk? Does the OP have any battle reports yet?

I was agressive towards gw, not someone who asked for clarification... Imo, gw should made some kind of update or bigger faq to make crons more playable in 5th...
I just can't wait for new dex

General_Chaos wrote:I you can mathhammer/theoryhammer till the cows come home, but the bottom line is it has been weighted, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.

If your playing your 8 year old sister I am sure it just trounces, but if it ever hit the tables in my neck of the woods, seriously, it would be back in it's case quicker than it came out.

No offense, but judging by your "incredibly" well based and thought out responses I doubt anybody will place much faith in your judgement of the list

lol

You do realise just constantly insulting the list doesn't make you seem very intelligent. It makes you seem like a douche. Who has no idea what he's talking about. So quit it.

If you have any real suggestions, say them. If you must bash the list, base your judgement on concrete thoughts, not by constantly spamming "lolol i bet you can beat your 8yr old sister but i would own you lolol i am so awesome"

L2P.

@ cottonjaw, thx for the kind comment. I was thinking of changing the deciever and 8 warriors for another destroyer lord and 2x5 immortals. Immortals are nice since they can move and shoot. On average 5 imnmortals should produce one glancing hit, which is enough to stop my opponent from shooting.

Oh and I have actually never won my lil sister in a game of 40k, I'd much rather let her win.

I'm not so sure you want to drop the Deceiver. You're running a fairly shooty list, and he makes a great unit to make your opponent hesitate about charging you lines. Take that away and dedicated assault units will have no such hesitation.

You I think if you want to run shooty Warrior spam, you would actually benefit more from Dropping the Spyders and getting a second Monolith. Sure you lose MCs to punch vehicles and tie enemy units up, but not only do you gain another effective shooting attack, but you can block LOS to funnel opponents to your warriors, and gain a second chance at making WBB by porting Warriors through the portal. Plus you can then pull shenanigans with pulling Warriors out of assault then blasting the clumped up opponent with the other template.

So I'd run something like this based off your list:
1746 Points-
Deceiver
Necron Lord - Ressurrection Orb, Gaze of Flame, Phylactery
15 Warriors
10 Warriors
10 Warriors
4 Scarabs - D Fields
4 Scarabs - D Fields
4 Scarabs
Monolith
Monolith

You gain a beefier Warrior Squad for your Lord, get extra chances at WBB, and can better keep your Warriors alive with Monolith help and expanded Scarab swarms with more vehicle busting ability. What do you think OP?

And i'd change this last list by dropping scarabs and 15 warriors, taking 10 immortals and few destroyers... And give vod to lord instead of other things...

Still, have to see pts, because it depends on adding destroyers..

Pvt. Jet wrote:I'm not so sure you want to drop the Deceiver. You're running a fairly shooty list, and he makes a great unit to make your opponent hesitate about charging you lines. Take that away and dedicated assault units will have no such hesitation.

You I think if you want to run shooty Warrior spam, you would actually benefit more from Dropping the Spyders and getting a second Monolith. Sure you lose MCs to punch vehicles and tie enemy units up, but not only do you gain another effective shooting attack, but you can block LOS to funnel opponents to your warriors, and gain a second chance at making WBB by porting Warriors through the portal. Plus you can then pull shenanigans with pulling Warriors out of assault then blasting the clumped up opponent with the other template.

So I'd run something like this based off your list:
1746 Points-
Deceiver
Necron Lord - Ressurrection Orb, Gaze of Flame, Phylactery
15 Warriors
10 Warriors
10 Warriors
4 Scarabs - D Fields
4 Scarabs - D Fields
4 Scarabs
Monolith
Monolith

You gain a beefier Warrior Squad for your Lord, get extra chances at WBB, and can better keep your Warriors alive with Monolith help and expanded Scarab swarms with more vehicle busting ability. What do you think OP?

I don't think I'll drop the deciever, but I was asked what I would do were I to drop him. I like the idea behind your list, although I'd still prefer to have the destroyer body and warscythe on the lord. I really don't see any reason to taking a lord on foot, other than if he has veil.

HQ: 210
Lord w wscgyte, rez orb and vod: 210

TROOPS: 360
10x warriors: 180
10x warriors: 180

ELITE: 280
11x Immortal: 280

FAST ATTACK: 400
4x Destroyer 200
4x Destroyer: 200

HEAVY SUPPORT: 470
Monolith: 235
Monolith: 235

TOTAL: 1748

I'd go like this without deciever...

you are little light on AT
try giving scarabs D-fields?

Devastator wrote:you are little light on AT
try giving scarabs D-fields?

TBH, having one squad with D-fields gives me the chance to harass support tanks if need be, but I wouldn't really use all my scarabs to hunt tanks, especially ones that have moved. Id much rather reserve them and either hang back and contest or block the enemy and bubblewrap my warriors.

I would take tomb spyders out and put scarabs two six man squads. Also swich phylectery to something better.


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I would take tomb spyders out and put scarabs two six man squads. Also swich phylectery to something better.

Jabbdo wrote:You do realise (spelled realized FYI ) just constantly insulting the list doesn't make you seem very intelligent.

This is one of those lists someone post that swears it beats down and they will not take any suggestions to even try to improve it.

It's been stated before that the OP is playing the Necrons wrong in the first place which probably contributes to his "win streak"

General_Chaos wrote:

Jabbdo wrote:You do realise (spelled realized FYI ) just constantly insulting the list doesn't make you seem very intelligent.

This is one of those lists someone post that swears it beats down and they will not take any suggestions to even try to improve it.

It's been stated before that the OP is playing the Necrons wrong in the first place which probably contributes to his "win streak"

You can just feth off. Seriously. I think the OP has been very forgiving with all the slowed comments I'm hearing here. He could have stamped down far harder, but he's actually considered the options suggested, and explained why the ones he currently has in his list are better.

I think they're referring to the fact the OP thought you got WBB after being Sweeping Advanced.

Which to be fair, is wrong. Tactics are debatable depending on who you talk to.

Pvt. Jet wrote:I think they're referring to the fact the OP thought you got WBB after being Sweeping Advanced.

Which to be fair, is wrong. Tactics are debatable depending on who you talk to.

You are right, I was WRONG. I think I admitted my mistake though. Is it really necessary to say the whole list is useless, because I hadnt realised how the interpretation for sweeping advances went? It will make my life harder to play taking that rule into account, but it doesn't change the overall idea of the list. Ofcourse you can make the assumption that since I don't know the rules I've been winning because I cheat or don't play the game correct, afterall that is the only logical explanation for such a crap list like this winning games.


I have scheduled a game for the weekend. I'll get a bat rep WITH PICTURE PROOF to show you guys. I might lose badly and prove your point.

normal day in dakka eh?

your list is "weak" for its lack of AT as only your ranged AT is monolith others rely on melee to crack the rin cans witch can be countered by moving

your scabrabs cant really contest objectives if rest of the army is dead

btw oletko sotulainen?

Devastator wrote:

btw oletko sotulainen?

jep, I use the same name and avatar on sotu, so shouldn't be too hard to recognise me.

Look, mean no disrespect or anything... It's just that from competitive side of view your army can be countered in cc and can't take out tanks... Trust me, I played several times similar list, and didn't do so good... That's all... You will have hard time with mech armies and with cc oriented armies... And frankly, mech is mostly what 5th is all about...

haizelhoff wrote:

Pvt. Jet wrote:I think they're referring to the fact the OP thought you got WBB after being Sweeping Advanced.

Which to be fair, is wrong. Tactics are debatable depending on who you talk to.

You are right, I was WRONG. I think I admitted my mistake though. Is it really necessary to say the whole list is useless, because I hadnt realised how the interpretation for sweeping advances went? It will make my life harder to play taking that rule into account, but it doesn't change the overall idea of the list. Ofcourse you can make the assumption that since I don't know the rules I've been winning because I cheat or don't play the game correct, afterall that is the only logical explanation for such a crap list like this winning games.


I have scheduled a game for the weekend. I'll get a bat rep WITH PICTURE PROOF to show you guys. I might lose badly and prove your point.

Hey, I never said the list was useless or that you didn't know how to play the game. I was just trying to defuse to situation happening in the post immediately before mine.

I'm of the opinion any list can win with a good general behind it, but of course if you're here on Dakka you're asking for our opinions on making it better. However you have to take into account most of us have never PLAYED Necrons... we've just read the codex, played against them, or in general have played a lot of 40k. If you find when you play you seem to win rather consistently, well, maybe you've stumbled onto something the rest of us have missed.

Don't worry, not all the nerd rage was directed at you Pvt. Jet.

General_Chaos wrote:I you can mathhammer/theoryhammer till the cows come home, but the bottom line is it has been weighted, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.

If your playing your 8 year old sister I am sure it just trounces, but if it ever hit the tables in my neck of the woods, seriously, it would be back in it's case quicker than it came out.

Guess what?

feth off. Really. Stop spouting gak like a fething douche.

Jabbdo wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:I you can mathhammer/theoryhammer till the cows come home, but the bottom line is it has been weighted, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.

If your playing your 8 year old sister I am sure it just trounces, but if it ever hit the tables in my neck of the woods, seriously, it would be back in it's case quicker than it came out.

No offense, but judging by your "incredibly" well based and thought out responses I doubt anybody will place much faith in your judgement of the list

Jabbdo wrote:

General_Chaos wrote:I you can mathhammer/theoryhammer till the cows come home, but the bottom line is it has been weighted, it has been measured, and it has been found wanting.

If your playing your 8 year old sister I am sure it just trounces, but if it ever hit the tables in my neck of the woods, seriously, it would be back in it's case quicker than it came out.

Guess what?

feth off. Really. Stop spouting gak like a fething douche.

I guess you wanted to add something you didn't get out the first time??? Anything else don't hold back now.

Actually am done with this thread from here on out, it's gone on long enuff. Some of the newer players might be swayed into thinking it's actually a good list if it keeps going.