aka_mythos wrote:Its more than resemblance but with clear distinctions.
A) The reason I don't agree on you with this is that what you keep proposing as "undivided" variants are minorly varied versions of the same vehicles you proposed as a legion specific variant... such as a evil chapel, daemonic amplifier of sorts which you proposed both as undivided and as word bearers. Although they are "undivided" I think its too much an aspect of their unique character to translate broadly into undivided.
B) It is a central point to my sentiment and one of the main reasons I even made that post. If you sat long enough you could come up with a rationale for a variant for every little subfaction, but tha doesn't always mean its justified. Given a limited need for variants and
GW's limited resources if they ever chose to do anything like this some theoretical line should be drawn and given the feasible cutting off point. I feel whatever undivided variant should be relatively straight forward and preeminent to any other notions of variants.
C) The first time I responded to your idea of a cult specific raider, I said it...
aka_mythos wrote:...would be ok if GW were doing a book focusing on each cult, but it wouldn't be right in a list focused on Undivided. If I were doing cult Land Raiders I'd break it down like this...
I'm merely qualifying the situation in which I do not see cult variants appropriate, and then I proceed to consider your proposal. I wouldn't call that "shooting down," just an extension of my personal view that until
GW or
FW does cult specific armylists or codices that the focus of Chaos Space Marines should be on the nature of chaos undivided.
A.) Go back and read my post again. First of all I never proposed that as a Wordbearers Raider, someone else did. I based those ideas off of the
WHFB Warshrine and someone else came in and said that it resembled something the Wordbearers would use. The Warshrine was also the source of the inspiration, not Wordbearers fluff.
B.) Currently, the only differences we have is that Legion specific raiders should be limited to Iron Warriors, and that is a small difference since it was the first Legion-specific raider I proposed, and (
tbh) the only one I actually took seriously (hence why I called the Alpha Legion one "Cloaking" instead of infiltrate or something, I really didnt care for that one).
C.)
aka_mythos wrote:I think its a bit much to make god specific landraiders...
Yeah, that wasn't your first post, this was. It also still means our proposals come to the same conclusion: Cult Raiders are unavoidable.
To start pushing this topic back on course, looking at all of the comments made, it might be entirely easier to focus on Daemon Engines for future Chaos Vehicles. Land Raiders are largely Imperial weapons, and given the fact that Land Raider variants didnt start appearing until long after the heresy,
CSM might not have access to many of them. Although it does present a fluff loophole on how current renegade chapters dont have access to them either, I think that is an acceptable break from reality to keep the
CSM distinct from normal
SMs (they're starting to blend too much already). Maybe a Havoc "crusader" Land Raider to give Chaos an edge in troop transports, but the focus of Chaos Armor should be placed on Daemon Engines, since there are so many fluffy possibilites there, and Undivided variants can be more easily justified there. Also, the Crusader, Prometheus, and Redeemer variants all started as Chapter specific Raiders in fluff, before being passed onto every other chapter, so it wouldnt be weird for Legion-specific land raiders to be used as Undivided Raiders. One Chaos Forge might get their hands on the plans, and create their own version soon enough.
