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aka_mythos wrote:It has less to do with marketing and more about creating larger periods of stable sales and revenue stream for a particular product line, while simultaneously dealing with the companies relatively limited ability to produce the volume of different kits needed to support the longevity of the product line for 5+ year periods at a time.

I agree with what you've said 100%, but the truth is that it should have more to do with marketing.

Remember how the Blood Angel 2nd Wave was announced, or, to be more accurate, wasn't announced? First we got an E-mail telling us to expect something big and to go to the website. Then we go to the website when they said and got... advertisements for existing products and a "Oh yeah, plus more stuff soon!" notice. Wave releases are a fine concept in theory, but like so many the fine concepts GW has had over the years their execution leaves a hell of a lot to be desired.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Personally, I hate the idea of Wave I/Wave II. Maybe a marketing major can explain to me why they do this.

It makes no sense when valuable units (such as the heavy support section for DE) has entire models missing and lets 3rd party manufacturers jump in. For example, many 3rd party manufacturers have made a good buck off TWC. I don't get it.

Apart from the problems H.M.B.C has very accurately pointed out, I quite like the Wave system. It certainly is better than the past model, where whole armies got released in one big chunk that still didn't cover everything in the list, and you knew if what you wanted for your army didn't come out in that big chunk you would be waiting years before you had a shot at it again.

reds8n wrote:From Warseer, from the mouth..well... alright, keyboard then, of the ever reliable Mr. Hastings [ who also now runs DP Gaming an online webstore you should all support [/cheap plug]

IIRC more DE (Talos & Cronos plastic kit, plastic Venom, plastic Voidraven & other aircraft kit, plastic Scourges, plus quite a few metal kits )are due out before GK, so later than that (Edit: Meaning after March, so I assume April).

..so, early 2nd quarter 2011 it seems then. Which is good news.

is that the same mr Hastings AKA grimtuff??

anyways was waiting for this release before i went back to my DE and can truely get my haemoculi cult army finished and dusted down to play with the new dex, guess going to be a lot of scratch building and coverting though if most of the bits are metal, just hope the platic talos is true

Plastic Venom hey? I never thought I'd see the day.

I have enough wracks and Venoms; am much more interested in Voidravens, Razorwings, and Scourges at this point. I don't mind the wait, but certainly it would not kill them to preview more than a couple weeks ahead. Maybe give us a peek into 3 months out?

I'd put good money on Voidraven/Razorwing kit being out before summer - even if the much-rumoured 'summer of flyers' doesn't happen, I can't see WD passing up the chance to do a Blood Angel -vs- Dark Eldar battle report which will (entirely coincidentally of course) feature a Voidwing -vs- Chibihawk dogfight.

I further predict that the BAs will claim a narrow victory after it turns out that chibis win the aerodynamic battle!...

If it's a battle-rep for a newly released toy it'll most likely win.

Thought the Dark Eldar will probably lose, they'll highlight the "wonderful new addition" and how you should buy 3 for regular 40k and 9 for Apocalypse.

Destrado wrote:If it's a battle-rep for a newly released toy it'll most likely win.

Thought the Dark Eldar will probably lose, they'll highlight the "wonderful new addition" and how you should buy 3 for regular 40k and 9 for Apocalypse.

Tyranids didn't nor did skaven.

Curse you for reading White Dwarf and obliterating my un-biased generalization.

I find it hard to believe GW would pit their 2 newest, shiniest" armies against one another. Either way, someone's getting disillusioned, depending on who wins, and they don't want the buyers of their new shiny toys disillusioned (and, therefore, buying less).

Any batrep will be against an older codex, like Orks, SM or CSM, and the opponent will have an underpowered list.

Eric

Actually this months WD pitches BloodAngels against Dark Eldar. ^^ Outcome:

Oh, God.

Well, there you go.


Eric

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'd put good money on Voidraven/Razorwing kit being out before summer

Is it just a hunch ... or because Jes Goodwin confirmed it?

Actually this months WD pitches BloodAngels against Dark Eldar.

The outcome of that is quite predictable and you don't need to be psychic to get it either, not even a little.

The wave system i like more keeps me on my toes, also makes me feel like they havn't forgoten about past releases.

Does any one know how i can find the painting DE article the new one not the old one. The one that was released with the army?

They can't be released during April, there's a leak in Feb's WD when the devs are talking about the Stormraven of 'other' iconography and a mention of the Grey Knights and April so.

This would be absolutely great.
Plastic tanks and Scourges - I'd give them a try.

Sounds good. I can still pick up the core of my army without waiting at all, so the extra stuff can wait. We need a duke model though.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Actually this months WD pitches BloodAngels against Dark Eldar.

The outcome of that is quite predictable and you don't need to be psychic to get it either, not even a little.

You just need to click the spoiler button.

Cpt. Rusty Hook wrote:Does any one know how i can find the painting DE article the new one not the old one. The one that was released with the army?

You mean this ?

Nothing about a battleforce?

Hm, wrack and grotesques alredy have plastic kits... they are called Ork Boyz/Nobz and Gaunts/Genestealers... seriously, no hard work in it...
At least on my point of view, Haemonculi cabals are a great excuse for kitbashing

And the release of official plastic kits for said units wouldn't prevent you from doing that in any way.

Not to mention that if they made minis of the wracks true to the artwork they would be completely spiffing

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hm, wrack and grotesques alredy have plastic kits... they are called Ork Boyz/Nobz and Gaunts/Genestealers... seriously, no hard work in it...
At least on my point of view, Haemonculi cabals are a great excuse for kitbashing

From my point of view that's not going to be good enough. No matter how awesome people think their conversions are, I bet they're going to look like garbage next to the real models. Just because Urien Rakarth got a horrible model, doesn't mean the other Homunculi (and their creations) will as well. Have a little faith!

Archonate wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hm, wrack and grotesques alredy have plastic kits... they are called Ork Boyz/Nobz and Gaunts/Genestealers... seriously, no hard work in it...
At least on my point of view, Haemonculi cabals are a great excuse for kitbashing

From my point of view that's not going to be good enough. No matter how awesome people think their conversions are, I bet they're going to look like garbage next to the real models. Just because Urien Rakarth got a horrible model, doesn't mean the other Homunculi (and their creations) will as well. Have a little faith!

hm, i disagree with you in this matter. marine models will most of the time look better then the conversion (storm raven aside) however xenos conversions are usually ALWAYS better.... and faith in GW? no i think not, look how they screwed over anyone who's NOT marines. primary example Guard: they could have released all the artillery tanks when they redid the basilisk but they didn't

Better example- Nids..

Half the codex missing, and THE most-used monster has no kit..

Guard may be missing some of their spiiffy variants, but they still have tnaks galore, and none of the missing variants is totally vital to the list..

agreed, or better still SW or from 4th ED dark angels

Ascalam wrote:Better example- Nids..

Half the codex missing, and THE most-used monster has no kit..

Guard may be missing some of their spiiffy variants, but they still have tnaks galore, and none of the missing variants is totally vital to the list..

Hydras

Archonate wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hm, wrack and grotesques alredy have plastic kits... they are called Ork Boyz/Nobz and Gaunts/Genestealers... seriously, no hard work in it...
At least on my point of view, Haemonculi cabals are a great excuse for kitbashing

From my point of view that's not going to be good enough. No matter how awesome people think their conversions are, I bet they're going to look like garbage next to the real models. Just because Urien Rakarth got a horrible model, doesn't mean the other Homunculi (and their creations) will as well. Have a little faith!

I agree. There is nothing more that I hate then seeing an ork arm glued to a nid body or a nid arm glued to a marine body. That almost pisses me off at how horrible it is. There are very few well done conversions using different body parts from different armies. I think GW will make great wracks and grotesques because even if they look like then Beastmans minotaur, its okay because they aren't normal looking.