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I can understand where your coming from, but it shouldn't stop you from watching his other shows, for example the tackler can always gain lost reputation through hard work and honesty... (which i believe is shown through other series, esp. bear grylls). Each to his own though - its your choice/opinion.
Avatar 720 wrote: I should be able to watch the programme and think "Wow, he did that?" not "Huh, can't be too hard to fake that."
Yeeeaaah. . . no. So he doesn't actually go out alone in the wilderness with nothing but a knife and a backpack. The stuff he does on his show are still things that the average fat lump on the sofa watching wouldn't be able to do.
I mean look at it this way, your the one sitting on your duff watching tv, not him.
Also, he became the youngest Brit to climb Mt. Everest. . . . after he broke his back in a parachuting accident while serving with the SAS.
But he's a total fake, right?
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You've done this on a lot your posts recently, i'm just wondering if it has anything at all to do with what you're replying to. Ever.
Anyway, I don't see what any of your post has to do with anything. You picked a small line to base something off, ignoring multiple facts and other lines that already detail what I think.
But he's a total fake, right?
Amazing, you can be sarcastic, how original. (See, I can do it too.)
In future please try not to ignore the majority of the posts on a thread before posting in it.
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You've done this on a lot your posts recently, i'm just wondering if it has anything at all to do with what you're replying to. Ever.
Anyway, I don't see what any of your post has to do with anything. You picked a small line to base something off, ignoring multiple facts and other lines that already detail what I think.
But he's a total fake, right?
Amazing, you can be sarcastic, how original. (See, I can do it too.)
In future please try not to ignore the majority of the posts on a thread before posting in it.
Oh, I'm sorry. Would it help smooth over your rumpled feelings if I replied to the rest of your post? I could do that if it would make you feel better. (But not really, I'm just being sarcastic because I'm so darn original.)
you shouldn't discredit someone from a perspective of 1 tv show.
Why not? He willingly misled the public through several series of the TV Show, and didn't admit it until it was made public. It doesn't matter if it's 1 show or 100 shows, he has irreparably tarnished his own reputation by agreeing to and participating in faked shows that were relayed as truth.
"He mislead the public"? it's an entertainment show not a public service announcement. Come on, most TV is scripted. It's really no big surprise. Top Gear do it all the time, why aren't you blasting them for faking races between para gliders and Aston Martins.
Because it's more obvious? Top Gear is a laugh (although I don't like the show) and isn't made to give you hard facts at all times; a survival show isn't comparable to a car show like Top Gear.
Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Perhaps the problem is you take Bear Grylls too seriously then. IMO anyone who sees his shows in the factual genre is clearly off their head. Most TV is scripted, even in serious documentaries most of the images you see are the result of the production team going 'can you just walk down this hallway again, we missed you the first time.' It's not a crime. If you want to hold a grudge against Bear Grylls for the rest of your life because somehow you feel hard done by that he didn't actually sleep in the woods one night then go ahead. Just don't expect anyone else to be on the same level.
Someone who's really earned my respect lately is Steve Backshall.
Very clever, very brave, very good presenter.
He's not some showboater like a lot of the others. And he doesn't hide the fact that he has a team with him, though to be fair when they're on expeditions in the jungle/tundra they're all sleeping with him in tents/hammocks.
He's great.
Also he could rip either Bear or Irwin in two; he's a black belt in karate.
And he's built like a brick gakhouse...
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Les Stroud still wins. He actually DOES the survival, and he does it alon;, carting the damn camera by himself, dealing with its weight, keeping it intact, etc. And setting up all the shots means he has to trek basically twice as far and take far more than twice as much time to do everything.
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GazzyG wrote:Someone who's really earned my respect lately is Steve Backshall.
Very clever, very brave, very good presenter.
He's not some showboater like a lot of the others. And he doesn't hide the fact that he has a team with him, though to be fair when they're on expeditions in the jungle/tundra they're all sleeping with him in tents/hammocks.
He's great.
Also he could rip either Bear or Irwin in two; he's a black belt in karate.
And he's built like a brick gakhouse...
Holy crap, I just thought he was a CBBC presenter!
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Here he endures the stings of 400 Bullet Ants (known to be the most painful sting of any insect species) as part of an Amazonian tribal ritual.
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Mannahnin wrote:Les Stroud still wins. He actually DOES the survival, and he does it alon;, carting the damn camera by himself, dealing with its weight, keeping it intact, etc. And setting up all the shots means he has to trek basically twice as far and take far more than twice as much time to do everything.
...and yet, at the end of all that he still just comes out with a TV show. Who's the idiot again? The dude who spends the night in a hotel?
OK...
They are shows about survival, they are ostensibly instructional programmes for the purpose of entertainment. Surviving in the wilderness can KILL YOU - that's why it's called 'survival'. As a bloke who's done SAS selection (the most challenging in the world, I might add), Grylls would be acutely aware of this, probably more than most. Why should he risk his life for our entertainment?
I certainly wouldn't.
P.S - I'm not a massive fan of Bear Grylls or anything, just wanted to try and put things into perspective a little.
Murray wrote:Yes Gryll's has admitted that he faked many parts in the series "Man Vs. Wild" but you cannot ignore that he has done some pretty heavy stuff (SAS experience etc and if your in that deep i think he can survive for himself, he just takes the easier more 'thrilling' option and in return big $$) - if you actually are interested in watching some legit gak from Grylls watch his earlier episodes or from his other programs, my personal favourite is "Escape to the Legion" i enjoyed that doco and you can watch it all on youtube.
tl;dr - you shouldn't discredit someone from a perspective of 1 tv show.
Who gives a gak if he's really a hard man? It's like pointing out that wrestlers really are very strong men, as if that's some kind of counter to the point that they're pretending to fight each other.
Ask most people about Bear Grylls, and hardly anyone will say 'that guy is great and because he's such an experienced survival expert I now a lot about what to do if I was ever stranded in the wilderness'. Instead they'll tell you 'that's the guy that eats bugs and drinks his own wee, isn't he?'
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Albatross wrote:P.S - I'm not a massive fan of Bear Grylls or anything, just wanted to try and put things into perspective a little.
I think the perspective is that none of these shows are really about teaching personal survival. Because actual personal survival involves telling people 'don't go into the wilderness by yourself' and 'take an emergency beacon, it works like this...' and other boring information.
These shows are basically hard men fantasies. That's why it's so important to people in this thread which guy is actually the hardest man.
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Mannahnin wrote:Les Stroud still wins. He actually DOES the survival, and he does it alon;, carting the damn camera by himself, dealing with its weight, keeping it intact, etc. And setting up all the shots means he has to trek basically twice as far and take far more than twice as much time to do everything.
...and yet, at the end of all that he still just comes out with a TV show. Who's the idiot again? The dude who spends the night in a hotel?
OK...
They are shows about survival, they are ostensibly instructional programmes for the purpose of entertainment. Surviving in the wilderness can KILL YOU - that's why it's called 'survival'. As a bloke who's done SAS selection (the most challenging in the world, I might add), Grylls would be acutely aware of this, probably more than most. Why should he risk his life for our entertainment?
I certainly wouldn't.
P.S - I'm not a massive fan of Bear Grylls or anything, just wanted to try and put things into perspective a little.
Oh, I take your point completely. And as I said earlier in the thread, the guy's got a really impressive resume and a lot of legitimate skills.
While the shows are certainly entertainment, the concept is supposedly the demonstration of real survival techniques and skills. Bear's show has the stigma of being more fake/dishonest; especially the earlier seasons, where he was not up front about the camera crew, or about sleeping in hotels, and where they genuinely faked some of the stuff he did. He never could get the raft properly together for the desert island episode, for example, so they faked it. Even the later seasons, where they put on disclaimers, still are presenting you a scenario of "man dropped in the wilderness alone" which isn't actually happening.
While you or I might think it's stupid for someone to go out in the wilds alone and genuinely risk their safety, the more real they make it, the higher a level of skill which is genuinely on display. I expect that Les packs a satellite phone, GPS, emergency signal kit (etc.) in case he were to get seriously injured so he could call for help. But he doesn't shortchange the audience on what he's doing, or lie (implicitly or explicitly) about it. He does it. The stuff that's off-camera is all the extra work he has to do to be his own camera crew. Which is really the opposite of Bear; Les is doing more work in the wild, not less. It's pretty cool and impressive to see that some folks do have and preserve these skills, even if there's no call for them in most of our lives.
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Albatross wrote:Well, that would be the dude who was in the SAS, presumably...
Lots of dudes have been in the SAS, but only one of them went on to eat bugs for the amusement of stoned college kids.
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Albatross wrote:Well, that would be the dude who was in the SAS, presumably...
Lots of dudes have been in the SAS, but only one of them went on to eat bugs for the amusement of stoned college kids.
I wouldn't count on it. I have a relative who was in the SAS and he's an absolute tit. He now casts garden gnomes out of cement for a living. That's two former SAS hardmen who now do stupid gak, I'm sure there are more out there.
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I'm just saying, if he could do it, then why not make an accurate show, instead of pretending? If he is an awesome, can-survive-anything, former SAS awesomeguy, then why wimp out and make a fake show? He's being a poser.
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