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AvatarForm wrote:

htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?

Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.

The oppurtunity for a 'that's what she said' there is being resisted only by my sterling resolve and my inherent British revulsion for anything involving bodyparts between the knee and shoulders. Disgusting.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, AvatarForm.

htj wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?

Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.

The oppurtunity for a 'that's what she said' there is being resisted only by my sterling resolve and my inherent British revulsion for anything involving bodyparts between the knee and shoulders. Disgusting.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, AvatarForm.

Kids these days... no respect.

Im guessing "That's what she said" is the new "Yo mumma" joke?

AvatarForm wrote:

htj wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

htj wrote:@AvatarForm. I'm having difficulty understanding your stance. Just to clear things up for me, are you for erotic encounters, or against them?

Against them, however, prepared to handle them tastefully when they arise.

The oppurtunity for a 'that's what she said' there is being resisted only by my sterling resolve and my inherent British revulsion for anything involving bodyparts between the knee and shoulders. Disgusting.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, AvatarForm.

Kids these days... no respect.

Im guessing "That's what she said" is the new "Yo mumma" joke?

Pretty much.

Kids!? You wound me, sir. I'm pushing thirty. Mentally, though, I'm a mixture of 80 year old man, and 6 year old. It's got me through so far.

I've got to say, it's nice that what could have been an extremely immature thread has, in the main, been populated by well thought out and voiced opinions.

Glad I moved to Dakka.

So no-one here owns the original Paladium RPG?

Now that was an insantity table!

Cheers

Andrew

Not I. Reproduce it here for posterity?

I don't know why. but here goes.

This is the third printing of Palladium, not the current version, it is a staple that players are expected to go insane at some point for one of several reasons. Basically a traumatic experience, eg dying and resurrected, swallowed by a hideous monster etc. You get the idea.

D100

1-19 Affective disorder - think OCD
20 - 50 Neurosis - This is the 'interesting one'
51 - 75 Phobia - scared of something, cats, open spaces etc.
76 - 100 Pychosis - Paranoia, schizophrenia etc. This includes the pychosis 'Become a psychiatrist'

Neurosis.
1-18 Fear of the Dark
19-34 Fear of Animals
35-49 Compulsive Liar
50-64 Sexual Deviation
65-85 Fear of Heights
86-100 Fear of success

Sexual Deviation
1-20 Homosexuality/Lesbianism
21-29 Fetishism
30 Pedophillia
31-40 Transvestism
41-50 Exhibitionism
51-60 Sadism
61-70 Masochism
71-75 Necrophilia
76-80 Anti-sex/prude
81-90 Satyr/Nymphomania
91-100 Voyeurism

Honestly, you couldn't make it up could you?

Cheers (I think)

Andrew

Wow, there are some things on that table that I don't think I personally would be comfortable role-playing or having role played around me. Really though, as far as role playing involving sex, I didn't come to do that kind of stuff. For example, in DH, sure my guy would have some attraction to the opposite sex but over all I personally feel that he has more important things on his plate than that. Surviving being on there. Overall I don't really see a need for such things though. Personal taste I guess.

The Foot wrote:Wow, there are some things on that table that I don't think I personally would be comfortable role-playing or having role played around me.

That's what makes you uncomfortable?

Not the fact that Palladium thinks that a traumatic experience can cause sexually deviant neurosis that turns you gay?

We're not talking the "trauma" of finding out your date is actually gay in a hotel room after prom, we're talking "Guys, I've gone insane after being swallowed by that sand worm. I think it turned me gay."

I thought the same Platuan4th, I was a little offended that homosexuality was considered a mental disorder tbh.

Agreed, the entire table is a little off. Probably why it was removed in later editions.

Palladium brought to you by the makers of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles RPG.

However I would also point out that at the end of the day, it's your game. What goes into it is up to no-one but you. If you don't like it, ditch it. We did.

Saying cheers at this point just doesn't seem right somehow.

Andrew

That's what makes you uncomfortable?

Not the fact that Palladium thinks that a traumatic experience can cause sexually deviant neurosis that turns you gay?

We're not talking the "trauma" of finding out your date is actually gay in a hotel room after prom, we're talking "Guys, I've gone insane after being swallowed by that sand worm. I think it turned me gay."

I think it's pretty dodgy to have a table of "sexual deviations" and put sexual fetishes and homosexuality alongside something like paedophilia.

The book of erotic roleplay mentioned earlier is quite clear that it's supposed to be fun and that gamers playing heroic characters would always do things which are consensual. Characters raping others is the clear work of villains, maybe some people play that way but the Book of Erotic Roleplay for instance makes it clear it won't cater for that.

No one is forced to do anything in an RPG. A good DM is not going to demand you change your character's personality to become a paedophile or a necrophiliac on the roll of a table.

I agree with what all of you guys are saying about homosexuality being included in the table. But if you look at ts boundaries compared to some of the other things, I think its there to sort of be an easy escape from bad stuff. I don't think its actually intended as a mental disorder, just a change of mind as such.

scarskull5 wrote:I agree with what all of you guys are saying about homosexuality being included in the table. But if you look at ts boundaries compared to some of the other things, I think its there to sort of be an easy escape from bad stuff. I don't think its actually intended as a mental disorder, just a change of mind as such.

No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.

How old is the book, because although my first reaction was to raise an eyebrow with a negative light looking at that table, it wasn't all that long ago they where both considered similar.

Pedophilia and Homosexuality I mean. Looking back now, thats seems bizarre, but it was where the mental health boffins where at a number of years back.

Course in all likelyhood this came out years since that was changed, so I still have to frown at the person who wrote that table. Seems just a stupid call.

@htj - very true, in fact some folks looking into it are even considering the possibility that it is a evolutionary thing, when a species reaches a certain level to slow the number of children being produced.

That made my mind take a Whoa, moment when I was reading that due to the possibilities.
In all likelyhood I would say for many there is no choice however. A friend of mine knew she was a Lesbian in her childhood, and had a strict Christian upbringing with no media influences that might have 'corrupted' her. So it's not as clear cut as some folks seem to think it is. (Around the world, not this thread.)

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:@htj - very true, in fact some folks looking into it are even considering the possibility that it is a evolutionary thing, when a species reaches a certain level to slow the number of children being produced.

Woah. That really is a bit of a trip. It would be amazing if this turns out to be true.

I guess this discussion brings us back to the OP. It doesn't seem right that a game would tell you how to play. However, the nice thing is, at least not at my table, nobody has a gun and forces us to play in ways that people don't want to play. Running a game for a bunch of active and former military a lot of wierd stuff comes up too.

The Foot wrote:Running a game for a bunch of active and former military a lot of wierd stuff comes up too.

Boy howdy. Our former Army guy is the WORST. Oldest member of the group, but the most immature. He never knows where the line is or when it's been crossed.

That pretty much sums it up, Foot. In the end, it's all going to boil down to how your group plays.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:How old is the book, because although my first reaction was to raise an eyebrow with a negative light looking at that table, it wasn't all that long ago they where both considered similar.

I think it was first published in the mid-80s. Palladium is somewhat infamous for reusing text (And this means they did 'copy and paste' when it actually meant copying a block of text and pasting it down on a layout board by hand) so it quite likely was used for several years over a few different books.

They've evolved past that... slightly.

htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.

Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.

Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.

Fat parents have fat kids too?

Howard A Treesong wrote:

htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.

Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.

Maybe genetic's not the word I'm looking for. I don't mean hereditary, rather that it's part of your physical makeup. My biology is no where near good enough to be 100% on this, though.

Catch the gay sounds like a party game. Although not a very nice one.

htj wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

htj wrote:No-one's 100% on what makes one person homosexual and another not, but the scant evidence we've got suggests it might actually be a genetic thing. Mental trauma shouldn't affect the gender you are sexually attracted to, in that case.

Quite a lot of paedophiles are themselves the victims of abuse and go on to create a cycle of abuse so it's quite a different case to homosexuality. Contrary to what some wish to claim you can't "catch the gay" even if you have gay parents, whereas paedophilia is primarily based in abuse not love and can be related to childhood trauma.

Maybe genetic's not the word I'm looking for. I don't mean hereditary, rather that it's part of your physical makeup. My biology is no where near good enough to be 100% on this, though.

Catch the gay sounds like a party game. Although not a very nice one.

It probably is based on genetics more than environmental (at least a combination of the two), but sexuality isn't binary, it would be genetically complex which allows not only for a spectrum of bisexuality but all the nuanced forms that sexuality and sexual attraction takes.

So, not caused by a traumatic experience then? Being eaten by a sandworm won't turn you gay, is what I'm going for here.

Alright, this has become an OT thread so I'm going to go ahead and lock it. Feel free to continue chatting about this subject in the OT, however.