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Hi

I finished first... in a two man event... played a nice guy who has played half as many games (6) as I have been playing in years (13)...

Cheers,
Nate

I took first at my flgs. Tomb kings prevailed

Me and my opponent auto drawed the last round though. Niether of us wanted to waste are time on it and he was dwarfs and wasnt gonna be able to get to it probably in that time with my shooting army and I just didnt feel up to it.

round 1: massacre against vampire counts (site was an issue some of the time but I still managed to get my shots in)

Round 2: massacre (Faced and empire gun line he had 4 great cannons and 2 morters) Naturally 3 catapults outshot them. P.S. A unit of chariots with the blood soaked choppa is broken. A unit champion defeated an arch lector in a challenge.

Round 3: As stated above drawed the game.

Spoils: picking up two sphinx and the new tk rule book!

I took first with daemons.

My WoC opponent got hit much harder by the one Lightning result, as his Disc Lord got fragged by the d3 wounds, a Warshrine died, Hellcannon handlers died, Knights died, etc.

I won round two via the "+1 for charging downhill bonus," when 40 Horrors, 12 Bloodletters, and 6 Fiends slammed into 1200 VPs worth of Orc Big 'Uns and many attached characters.

Masque + Icon of Despair remains brutal.

@Tomb King - I'm assuming we'll see you up in Omaha for semifinals then?

Round 3 was insane. We rolled lightning on the first two turns. My opponent lost all 3 warp lightning cannons, both aboms, all giant rat and gutter runner squads, and all his weapons teams. I lost a herald, my bloodthirster, all my fiends, and my flamers. That's just from the lightning. We were down to our big ass blocks. He got off four IF 13th spells in four turns, but I kept him off the objective for the draw. I'm moving onto semis, but I'm not taking daemons again. That scenario one kill points mission makes my fiend (8 points) worth more kill points than my daemonettes, bloodletters, and horrors put together.

TimmyMWD wrote:@Tomb King - I'm assuming we'll see you up in Omaha for semifinals then?

Round 3 was insane. We rolled lightning on the first two turns. My opponent lost all 3 warp lightning cannons, both aboms, all giant rat and gutter runner squads, and all his weapons teams. I lost a herald, my bloodthirster, all my fiends, and my flamers. That's just from the lightning. We were down to our big ass blocks. He got off four IF 13th spells in four turns, but I kept him off the objective for the draw. I'm moving onto semis, but I'm not taking daemons again. That scenario one kill points mission makes my fiend (8 points) worth more kill points than my daemonettes, bloodletters, and horrors put together.

Ill be there and hopefully dont have the same thing happen last year where I chose to withdraw from the tournament because of an opponent's blatant abuse of the system/rules. Not to be reflected on Omaha which is a nice store and actually enjoyed my other 2 games there. I am interested on what builds I can bring with the new army book coming in.

I WISH I had gotten a Lightning roll. My VC opponent had his Helm of Commandment vampire running around outside a unit for 2-3 turns. He also had a Black Coach. My army was built to practically ignore the lightning (four big units, one of which was Dragon Ogres). And we didn't roll it once. :(

Unfortunately, I missed my alarm and didn't wake in time.

However, I made $50 cleaning my own house when the 2 college kids my wife hired to do it didn't show up.

Sounds like a win to me.

The prize support was reduced this year, so I think that actually equals first place, when you figure in a 20% online discount.

The first mission of the second round will suck for undead armies! :(

SCENARIO SPECIAL RULES
Tzeentch watches eagerly at the battle to come, and has
intervened for his own personal pleasure. Even the
strongest of wizards can not combat the Changer of
Ways. Every time a wizard casts a spell or uses a
bound item, roll a D6. On a 1 the model must roll on the
miscast table and apply the affects. This may cause the
wizard to roll twice on the miscast table if he actually
miscasts while casting the spell.
Note: This affect will work against any model that has a
magic level and can cast spells or use bound items.
Models with no magic level are unaffected.

P.S. What happens with Teclis and Some of the Slann?

Yes, I have the same question. If Teclis rolls a 1 on the special rules for scenario 1 of the semis can he negate it with his crown? Also, how is throne of vines going to interact with that special rule?

Worth emailing GW about ASAP.

I suspect that, given the clear intent of the scenario, even units which are normally immune to miscasts will have to eat this one.

I would say that Teclis only ignores the 1st miscast each round that he actually causes by casting. All others are fair game.

I think the line, "Even the strongest of wizards can not combat the Changer of Ways." Kind of sums it up...

Im just confused how they make 3 decent missions for round 2 and totally screw them up in round 1.

I liked round 1's missions, with the exception of the last one. It was too easy for someone to push the draw, and my list nails characters much much harder than most peoples.

The other 2 were okay.. The problem is 1 bad mission is a huge failure for any 3 round tournament. 33% failure rate isnt a good thing.. for anyone

Fearspect wrote:I think the line, "Even the strongest of wizards can not combat the Changer of Ways." Kind of sums it up...

I agree with this ruling

TimmyMWD wrote:@
Round 3 was insane. We rolled lightning on the first two turns. My opponent lost all 3 warp lightning cannons, both aboms, all giant rat and gutter runner squads, and all his weapons teams. I lost a herald, my bloodthirster, all my fiends, and my flamers. That's just from the lightning..

I had the same thing happen in round 3. Except whereas I lost 12 hounds, 4 fiends, Kairos, 6 flamers, 12 plaguebearers and 11 bloodletters, he only lost a shaman, a salamander and a few saurus and temple guard. Meaning I had nothing left to really fight against him, despite having broken through his center on the end of turn 1!

Worst scenario I have seen.

Tomb King wrote:

Fearspect wrote:I think the line, "Even the strongest of wizards can not combat the Changer of Ways." Kind of sums it up...

I agree with this ruling

Fateweaver will be saving his reroll.

Also Horrors use their own miscast chart I'd assume.

3rd round was brutal. I lost all of my fiends on the first lightning. he lost a HPA, all jezzails right away.

I don't really see how Fateweaver can change the ways of the Changer of Ways.

Well it says any D6 in the rules, once per player turn.

I just got an email back from GW customer service. The email told me to call them to chat about it. So, I don't have any written record of the conversation, but here's what he said. T

he TO of the semi finals event that you attend needs to give the ruling on whether or not Teclis can negate the miscast, Throne of Vines, and Fateweaver, etc. for round one of the semis.

I asked for his personal opinion and he said if he were the TO he'd say no as the scenario rules trump everything.


DAH

Well less than a week away. I guess most lists are done at this point and everyone has at least practiced one scenario from round 2 of Ardz.

Is everyone feeling fairly confident with their choices at this point? Is your list ready for 4 hydras? 2 Abombs? 2 Stanks? Teclis/Fateweaver? -2 LD DoC banner?

Odominus wrote:Well less than a week away. I guess most lists are done at this point and everyone has at least practiced one scenario from round 2 of Ardz.

Is everyone feeling fairly confident with their choices at this point? Is your list ready for 4 hydras? 2 Abombs? 2 Stanks? Teclis/Fateweaver? -2 LD DoC banner?

IMHO mission one is affecting the meta game more than any of them. Not being able to take rare's hurts some armies more then others. A daemon player and a chaos player can both get by without even taking a rare and still have a very competitive list. KP refusal will be key. The challenge is to build a low kp army that can still fight competitively in the other missions.

Even as a DoC player I'm leaning towards a list with 2 full squads of Flamers. To advance we'll need 3 victories- at least 2 major/massacre. As such the simple victories offered by a triple-horde daemons list seem insufficient. I figure I either need to table my first opponent, or keep the li'l buggers alive via either LD bomb/fear interaction and/or resurrection from lore of life (35 point, 2 wound "infantry" models yah!)

On the note of needing to table an opponent, my current list lacks furies. Yes... Furies. Those terrible winged things we all laugh at. You know who doesn't laugh at furies though? -7 LD units that are fleeing but won't hit the table edge before the game ends. Do you know how badly it makes me want to tear my hair out to trade a horde-rank of Bloodletters from my BSBs unit to put in FURIES? I'd cut the aforementioned KP juicy Flamers, but paired (or tripled) units of Flamers seem to be effected by Lancasters Square Law Of Tank Warfare.

As for the first scenarios magic gimping, I've decided to focus Fateweavers magic on nukes rather than chain casting efficient spells that round. Playing conservatively might win games... But to get that trip to Sacramento i know it's "Go big or go home." Here's hoping for a gunline...

Tomb King wrote:
IMHO mission one is affecting the meta game more than any of them. Not being able to take rare's hurts some armies more then others. A daemon player and a chaos player can both get by without even taking a rare and still have a very competitive list. KP refusal will be key. The challenge is to build a low kp army that can still fight competitively in the other missions.

Yea game one is a doosey. Agreed, KP denial is huge!

Indiges wrote:As for the first scenarios magic gimping, I've decided to focus Fateweavers magic on nukes rather than chain casting efficient spells that round. Playing conservatively might win games... But to get that trip to Sacramento i know it's "Go big or go home."

You got it. Cast big to avoid excessive amounts of scenario rolls. As I mentioned earlier, Warrior Priests and Arch Lectors have a huge advantage as their bound spell prayers are not effected by the scenario. Now get some furies in your list!