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Macok- Yes, aLeman Russ and a Land Raider have a different role in each army. However, Raiders are also heavily armored vehicles like the Russ, and earlier in his thread someone brought up the fact that the Russ is much cheaper than the Raider. No, Wave Serpents abd Trukks can't deliver TH/SS termies, but they cab deliver Banshees, Fire Dragons, Nobs, Ghazkull, etc. The unit names are different, but the effect is the same.

Yes, a Russes weaknesses are that it is a vehicle, and the fact is that in the IG codex, you're paying a premium for AV14. I can get more firepower with Manticores and Basilisks. AV14 is a luxury and for a Russ that advantage is easily ignored. A lance makes a Russ no more armored than a Hellhound, and meltas make it even more vulnerable, abd assault rapidly turns the Leman into junk as fast as it kills Chimeras. The IG codex has some undercosted, ridiculously powerful units, but the Russ isnt one of them.


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Nope. You were the first one to bring Land Raider to the picture. And I disagree with what you said.
Manticores and Basilisks are widely considered better than Leman Russ. That doesn't change the fact Leman is still a good choice. Didn't say it was undercosted but somebody really had to disagree with general analysis of LR made by IG players in this thread. LR is much more durable than other vehicles. There are ways to overcome this but they are not available to all armies. Even when there are there is often a better target for them. Like mentioned Manticores and Basilisks. Front AV14/13/10 is not as bad as you make it.

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Noone said the Russ was a bad choice. Just that it's not overpowered.

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yeah the LR isn't overpowered at all....if it was OP then it would automatically make it a choice in every WAAC list, which it isn't...

You know what I feel is undercosted? It's the chimera + Special Weapon carrying passenger combo. I don't mind of course...mwahahaha...

Others have argued the vendetta is undercosted...if so i do not feel it, as it has been underwhelming for me....it is it's passengers (I usually use a SWS with a demo charge and 2 flamers) which have been more game turning that the skimmer itself....



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