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Brother Coa wrote:
Our weapons are a club when compared to Lasgun.

With right round yes, Lasgun will do that in low or medium setting.

Why is everyone using spoilers?



Oh.

Sorry, I seem to have offeded some people when I did not meen to.

I apologise for affending you that was not my intent. I mearly ment to point out the fact that the Autogun is the equivilent of a modern firearm as well as a lasgun. Sorry.

Our weapons aren't comparable to clubs because our current technolgy is about as effective as a bolt pistol

A 30mm grenade launcher is about the same as a boltgun. The reason why they aren't standard to all infantry instead of a rifle is that once your basic weapon is adequate to the task, it is pointless to make it larger.

@Emperors Faithful - in that case I will use this as a club:


@Vice_Grip - it's ok, they are about equal. Lasgun only afvantage is for being the energy weapon. Have almost unlimited ammo and ability to blow up a tank.

@Killkrazy - So very true.

Lasguns blowing up a tank?
The larger las-based weapons maybe...

purplefood wrote:Lasguns blowing up a tank?
The larger las-based weapons maybe...

It can do that, here from Lexicanum: "The pack can be recharged in many ways, including sunlight. It can also be "overcharged," a trick used by Guard veterans that causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade. This tactic is only used in last ditch situations as it results in the destruction of the weapon. The resultant explosion, however, is powerful enough to crack open the frontal armor of a Chaos Dreadnought."

And we all know that Dreds have Adamantium on front armor. Witch is impenetrable to most commonplace weapons. What can our puny tanks with their ceramic plates do against this?

cower in terror?

oh wait...

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:Lasguns blowing up a tank?
The larger las-based weapons maybe...

It can do that, here from Lexicanum: "The pack can be recharged in many ways, including sunlight. It can also be "overcharged," a trick used by Guard veterans that causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade. This tactic is only used in last ditch situations as it results in the destruction of the weapon. The resultant explosion, however, is powerful enough to crack open the frontal armor of a Chaos Dreadnought."

And we all know that Dreds have Adamantium on front armor. Witch is impenetrable to most commonplace weapons. What can our puny tanks with their ceramic plates do against this?

That's not the lasgun blowing up a tank...
That's the power pack being overcharged and used as a completely different weapon...

GRENADE!!!!!!!!!!

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:Lasguns blowing up a tank?
The larger las-based weapons maybe...

It can do that, here from Lexicanum: "The pack can be recharged in many ways, including sunlight. It can also be "overcharged," a trick used by Guard veterans that causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade. This tactic is only used in last ditch situations as it results in the destruction of the weapon. The resultant explosion, however, is powerful enough to crack open the frontal armor of a Chaos Dreadnought."

And we all know that Dreds have Adamantium on front armor. Witch is impenetrable to most commonplace weapons. What can our puny tanks with their ceramic plates do against this?

That's not the lasgun blowing up a tank...
That's the power pack being overcharged and used as a completely different weapon...

That's the case of power charged being used as Melta Bomb.
That can blow tanks to.

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:Lasguns blowing up a tank?
The larger las-based weapons maybe...

It can do that, here from Lexicanum: "The pack can be recharged in many ways, including sunlight. It can also be "overcharged," a trick used by Guard veterans that causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade. This tactic is only used in last ditch situations as it results in the destruction of the weapon. The resultant explosion, however, is powerful enough to crack open the frontal armor of a Chaos Dreadnought."

And we all know that Dreds have Adamantium on front armor. Witch is impenetrable to most commonplace weapons. What can our puny tanks with their ceramic plates do against this?

That's not the lasgun blowing up a tank...
That's the power pack being overcharged and used as a completely different weapon...

That's the case of power charged being used as Melta Bomb.
That can blow tanks to.

Yeah... like i said. A completely different weapon. They don't use a lasgun, they use the power pack.

It would almost be like using assualt rifle ammunition as a completely different weap- oh wait.

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

purplefood wrote:Lasguns blowing up a tank?
The larger las-based weapons maybe...

It can do that, here from Lexicanum: "The pack can be recharged in many ways, including sunlight. It can also be "overcharged," a trick used by Guard veterans that causes the pack to explode, turning the weapon into a makeshift grenade. This tactic is only used in last ditch situations as it results in the destruction of the weapon. The resultant explosion, however, is powerful enough to crack open the frontal armor of a Chaos Dreadnought."

And we all know that Dreds have Adamantium on front armor. Witch is impenetrable to most commonplace weapons. What can our puny tanks with their ceramic plates do against this?

That's not the lasgun blowing up a tank...
That's the power pack being overcharged and used as a completely different weapon...

That's the case of power charged being used as Melta Bomb.
That can blow tanks to.

Yeah... like i said. A completely different weapon. They don't use a lasgun, they use the power pack.

Also, and this is a bad job by Lexicanum, that dread had been cracked open already - probably by a frikkin' tank.

Can you provide source for this? That the Dred was already opened?

I have heard this as well, the Dread's shell was cracked. The battery must have fair amount of energy in it if when over-charged it has the destructive ability comparable to a Melta-bomb. If a math head wants to draw a comparison in power between a modern grenade and a melta bomb, take a number, reduce it slightly and then divide it by the number of shots in a standard combat setting lasgun pack it might give as a suitable result.

Brother Coa wrote:Can you provide source for this? That the Dred was already opened?

If we are talking about the same book, Gaunt's Ghosts where the scout kills the Dread, then yes. It is mentioned that the Dread was blinded and the casing was cracked.

I believe that is the incident they are referring too. Normally I like Lexicanum but that entire page is bad and should be disregarded.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I believe that is the incident they are referring too. Normally I like Lexicanum but that entire page is bad and should be disregarded.

Like the page saying that Imperium have several million inhabited worlds?

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I believe that is the incident they are referring too. Normally I like Lexicanum but that entire page is bad and should be disregarded.

Like the page saying that Imperium have several million inhabited worlds?

Well yeah, that's blatantly incorrect. The Imperium only holds one million worlds. Not several.

Kilkrazy wrote:A 30mm grenade launcher is about the same as a boltgun.

Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo....

For one, 30mm grenade launchers don't penetrate armor and THEN explode.

Melissia wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:A 30mm grenade launcher is about the same as a boltgun.

Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo....

For one, 30mm grenade launchers don't penetrate armor and THEN explode.

Bolter use .75 caliber ( 20mm ), but there are sources to suggest that bolter can also use .999 or 1.0 ( 25mm ).
And, as Melissia said, our granades just explode on impact. Bolter first penetrate than explode.

Brother Coa wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:A 30mm grenade launcher is about the same as a boltgun.

Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo....

For one, 30mm grenade launchers don't penetrate armor and THEN explode.

Bolter use .75 caliber ( 20mm ), but there are sources to suggest that bolter can also use .999 or 1.0 ( 25mm ).
And, as Melissia said, our granades just explode on impact. Bolter first penetrate than explode.

I'm guessing that if it doesn't penetrte it still explodes?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:A 30mm grenade launcher is about the same as a boltgun.

Nnnnnnooooooooooooooooooooo....

For one, 30mm grenade launchers don't penetrate armor and THEN explode.

Bolter use .75 caliber ( 20mm ), but there are sources to suggest that bolter can also use .999 or 1.0 ( 25mm ).
And, as Melissia said, our granades just explode on impact. Bolter first penetrate than explode.

I'm guessing that if it doesn't penetrte it still explodes?

Yeah unless your shooting something fleshy, it would explode on impact.....I guess

Heavy bolters use 1.0, the rest use .75.

So where are these (rather large) numbers coming from?

Emperors Faithful wrote:So where are these (rather large) numbers coming from?

Here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bolter, and these are precise data since I have seen mention of these calibers in books and video game DoW II.

I thought Lasguns caused a lot of damage if you hit someone even close to something vital as it has a large radius of damage but if it hit almost any kind of armour it would make a crater but stop anyway (probably still make you bleed) because it lacked penatrative power, I.E. that's what the Hellguns and Hot-Shot Rifles were made for.

I assume that a concrete and iron wall would get a hole but what's on the other side won't take any damage. but what would I know?

Brother Coa wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:So where are these (rather large) numbers coming from?

Here: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bolter, and these are precise data since I have seen mention of these calibers in books and video game DoW II.

You just threw your own argument out the window. Murderer.

I always assumed they were the equivalent of modern day rifles, in relation too effectiveness. But they use lasguns because theoretically you could have infinite ammo as long as you have a heat source