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Melissia wrote:Not often unless the lasbolt hit armor. That lasbolt hit bare neck when it popped his head off. Frequently those that did survive a direct hit to an unarmored area they were permanently injured.

As you would expect, though there is a difference between actually blowing someone's head off with a single shot and destroying their jaw (which is what happened to a Tanith trooper).

Yes, it would. THe trooper wasn't hit head on by that lasbolt.

Melissia wrote:Yes, it would. THe trooper wasn't hit head on by that lasbolt.

If a las-shot is as powerful as your claiming it is (single shots tearing off limbs), it wouldn't need to for it to be fatal.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:Yes, it would. THe trooper wasn't hit head on by that lasbolt.

If a las-shot is as powerful as your claiming it is (single shots tearing off limbs), it wouldn't need to for it to be fatal.

Yes it would. As you noted earlier, the shot was indeed at high power. Most lasguns have, according to the IIUP, a low and high seting. The high setting has about twenty five shots, if the DKoK fluff is to be believed, which is just shy of three times the power requirement of a normal shot given that in DArk Heresy a lasgun charge pack has sixty shots.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:Yes, it would. THe trooper wasn't hit head on by that lasbolt.

If a las-shot is as powerful as your claiming it is (single shots tearing off limbs), it wouldn't need to for it to be fatal.

Yes it would. As you noted earlier, the shot was indeed at high power. Most lasguns have, according to the IIUP, a low and high seting.

And according to the IG Codex, lasguns with variable settings are relatively rare (so far as lasguns can be rare).

The high setting has about twenty five shots, if the DKoK fluff is to be believed, which is just shy of three times the power requirement of a normal shot given that in DArk Heresy a lasgun charge pack has sixty shots.

And?
If a single shot alone would be powerful enough to not only cut through an astartes neck, but decapitate it a human wouldn't stand a chance if they took a hit like that. A shot to the jaw would blow more than half their face away.

The IIUP makes it out that the Mars Pattern Short Lasgun, IE the standard issue lasgun, has variable settings. That one is NOT rare, in fact, it's the most common variant.

So you're basically arguing that a lasgun has the same striking power at both low and high settings? Because your last post makes no sense at all.

Melissia wrote:The IIUP makes it out that the Mars Pattern Short Lasgun, IE the standard issue lasgun, has variable settings. That one is NOT rare, in fact, it's the most common variant.

The IG Codex says that the Armageddon and Mars pattern lasguns don't have the variable settings, that it's found in the rarer (A-someting?) Triplex pattern.

So you're basically arguing that a lasgun has the same striking power at both low and high settings? Because your last post makes no sense at all.

I didn't mention low settings, and it doesn't specify what Mertt was hit by.


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I also don't see any other instances of limbs being blown off by single las-shots.

Emperors Faithful wrote:The IG Codex says that the Armageddon and Mars pattern lasguns don't have the variable settings, that it's found in the rarer (A-someting?) Triplex pattern.

A pattern which is mentioned nowhere else in Imperial Guard lore, not even in Deathwatch.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I didn't mention low settings, and it doesn't specify what Mertt was hit by.

No, but if it didn't blow off half his face, I think it's safe to assume he was hit by a lower power lasbolt.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:The IG Codex says that the Armageddon and Mars pattern lasguns don't have the variable settings, that it's found in the rarer (A-someting?) Triplex pattern.

A pattern which is mentioned nowhere else in Imperial Guard lore, not even in Deathwatch.

The Triplex pattern was an example, the note mentions a few other makes. But the Armageddon and Mars patter don't have the variable settings.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I didn't mention low settings, and it doesn't specify what Mertt was hit by.

No, but if it didn't blow off half his face, I think it's safe to assume he was hit by a lower power lasbolt.

A lower power lasbolt, or one on medium settings?

And I'll ask again, where are these other instances of lasguns blowing off people's limbs?

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Some people seem to think that Lasguns are super-laser Deathstars and that Flak Armour is near-invincible.
Because they buy into internet crap.

And some people are thinking that Guardsman die simply by spotting them.
Because of the internet crap.

And why do you think that Lasgun shot can't tare limb or head? It's mini plasma explosion. Shoot it on one unarmored guy and he is done for. And how many troops ware face armor?
Today's ordinary guns can tare human arm or limb ( .50cal can, or maybe even .457 magnum caliber ). Why energy weapon cannot?

Brother Coa wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Some people seem to think that Lasguns are super-laser Deathstars and that Flak Armour is near-invincible.
Because they buy into internet crap.

And some people are thinking that Guardsman die simply by spotting them.
Because of the internet crap.

And why do you think that Lasgun shot can't tare limb or head? It's mini plasma explosion. Shoot it on one unarmored guy and he is done for. And how many troops ware face armor?
Today's ordinary guns can tare human arm or limb ( .50cal can, or maybe even .457 magnum caliber ). Why energy weapon cannot?

Because modern weaponry works via kinetic force. Energy weapons do not have anywhere near enough mass to create that kind of trauma.

I've head a laser gun can't shoot through a mirror.

Kilkrazy wrote:I've head a laser gun can't shoot through a mirror.

So by your logic, enemies of the Imperium should make armors of glass?

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lower power lasbolt, or one on medium settings?

IIUP only mentions two settings, low and high.

Seaward wrote:Because modern weaponry works via kinetic force. Energy weapons do not have anywhere near enough mass to create that kind of trauma.

It wouldn't have to. If it's hot enough that it creates little blasts of plasma at the "impact" area (as it's been described as doing a few times, thus explaining why they "pop" or leave craters in armor), that little blast could very well do it, along with the damage the lasgun does itself.

Brother Coa wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I've head a laser gun can't shoot through a mirror.

So by your logic, enemies of the Imperium should make armors of glass?

Absolutely. A glass armoured Chaos army would be invicible!


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What are you two even arguing about. Do lasguns kill people? Yes. Bamn, argument over.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What are you two even arguing about. Do lasguns kill people? Yes. Bamn, argument over.

We all know that

I am asking the power output of Lasgun in Jules?
Proposition?

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
What are you two even arguing about. Do lasguns kill people? Yes. Bamn, argument over.

We all know that

I am asking the power output of Lasgun in Jules?
Proposition?

You are not meant to know. That way you can't pick it apart with your silly real-world "science". That's why they use made up words like megathules and megabrains.

There was that Guard regiment in First and Only that had the mirrored scale armor. Don't know if its reflective properties actually resisted lasgun fire, or if it was just ritual battle armor for them, though.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:There was that Guard regiment in First and Only that had the mirrored scale armor. Don't know if its reflective properties actually resisted lasgun fire, or if it was just ritual battle armor for them, though.

The Vitrians. It was just a cultural thing. However, I think it was still blackish glass.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:There was that Guard regiment in First and Only that had the mirrored scale armor. Don't know if its reflective properties actually resisted lasgun fire, or if it was just ritual battle armor for them, though.

The Vitrians. It was just a cultural thing. However, I think it was still blackish glass.

It was a unique silica-based armor, not truly glass. Only the reverse side was black in color.

Melissia wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:There was that Guard regiment in First and Only that had the mirrored scale armor. Don't know if its reflective properties actually resisted lasgun fire, or if it was just ritual battle armor for them, though.

The Vitrians. It was just a cultural thing. However, I think it was still blackish glass.

It was a unique silica-based armor, not truly glass. Only the reverse side was black in color.

Was it mirrowed though? I seem to recall it just being described as glass like.

It was shiny on its primary side, which was the general same effect (IE, reflective, though not a true mirror IIRC). Its reverse side was dull.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lower power lasbolt, or one on medium settings?

IIUP only mentions two settings, low and high.

And does it mention the killing power of either settings? Bear in mind this is blatant Imperial Propoganda we're talking about, where praying is supposed to help save you when shot into the vaccum of space.


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Brother Coa wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Some people seem to think that Lasguns are super-laser Deathstars and that Flak Armour is near-invincible.
Because they buy into internet crap.

And some people are thinking that Guardsman die simply by spotting them.
Because of the internet crap.

And we've already established that no one discussing the topic here believes either of the two extremities. So cut the crap and follow the argument.

And why do you think that Lasgun shot can't tare limb or head? It's mini plasma explosion.

Lasguns are plasma weaponry now?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lower power lasbolt, or one on medium settings?

IIUP only mentions two settings, low and high.

And does it mention the killing power of either settings? Bear in mind this is blatant Imperial Propoganda we're talking about, where praying is supposed to help save you when shot into the vaccum of space.

No, it's not. As for praying... frankly, if you're shot into the vacuum of space without a space suit, that's the best you can usually hope for.

It says nothing about the differences in killing power. Only that there's a high and low setting for the standard issue lasgun.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lower power lasbolt, or one on medium settings?

IIUP only mentions two settings, low and high.

And does it mention the killing power of either settings? Bear in mind this is blatant Imperial Propoganda we're talking about, where praying is supposed to help save you when shot into the vaccum of space.

No, it's not. As for praying... frankly, if you're shot into the vacuum of space without a space suit, that's the best you can usually hope for.

True, but I don't know many people that seriously think it would work.

And there are plenty of other pieces of propoganda in the IIUP, such as the pieces on Orks and Tau foes. Only the Kroot account appeared even remotely accurate.

It says nothing about the differences in killing power. Only that there's a high and low setting for the standard issue lasgun.

And what does that tell us about th lasgun's ability to blow up arms and limbs?

Emperors Faithful wrote:And there are plenty of other pieces of propoganda in the IIUP, such as the pieces on Orks and Tau foes. Only the Kroot account appeared even remotely accurate.

It is improper for imperial citizens to know such things to begin with. Point the gun and shoot. But it is absolutely imperitive for Guardsmen to know how to work their weapons.

Besides, the Ork ones are correct for Gretchin.

And what does that tell us about th lasgun's ability to blow up arms and limbs?

I'm not gonna dignify that with a proper response.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Lasguns are plasma weaponry now?

This is how the shot works: " The high amount of energy in the beam causes the immediate surface area of a target to be vaporized in a small explosion".
Not like plasma, but somewhere near it. Ask Mellisia.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:And there are plenty of other pieces of propoganda in the IIUP, such as the pieces on Orks and Tau foes. Only the Kroot account appeared even remotely accurate.

It is improper for imperial citizens to know such things to begin with. Point the gun and shoot. But it is absolutely imperitive for Guardsmen to know how to work their weapons.

Besides, the Ork ones are correct for Gretchin.

Let's say the Imperial author of the IIUP had a choice between "Lasguns are effective, robust and reliable weapons that can easily kill an unarmoured foe" and "Lasguns, divine weapons of the Imperium that they are, are capable of felling the mightiest of foes. Fear not the dreaded Carnifex, your Righteous Lasgun can blow off its limb with a few rounds! Lesser foes are blown apart from single shots of this holy weapon."

Which is he going to steer towards? And I'd imagine the Commissariat would have a lot of say about what went into this book.

And what does that tell us about th lasgun's ability to blow up arms and limbs?

I'm not gonna dignify that with a proper response.

You don't have an answer? Cool.


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Brother Coa wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Lasguns are plasma weaponry now?

This is how the shot works: " The high amount of energy in the beam causes the immediate surface area of a target to be vaporized in a small explosion".
Not like plasma, but somewhere near it. Ask Mellisia.

But that's not what you said.

Imperial Munitorum Manual indicates that standard Lasgun magazines can get you around 150 shots, if used conservatively. I've also seen something somewhere that you can get up to 200 shots out of one. Taking the IIUP at face value that give a guardsman between about 700 and 1000 shots on basic loadout, which is pretty reasonable.

Its probably been said already, but lasguns are supposed to be euivalent to autoguns in effectiveness, hence the easiest answer to the OPs question is "about the same as a modern rifle round"

"Fear not the clumsy Carnifex!"