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nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.

/OT

I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.

First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?

Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.

nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.

/OT

Of the musicians I have met, most treat this more as a calling. Few people have the desire to practice, and make that a central focus of thir life.

Whats interesting is that with current technology, we're seeing a pull away from musicality and the need for that level of work and expertise, to a more pure compositional point. When you can make up a symphany on a keyboard/computer without instrumentation, it opens up new avenues for the future. Dubstep is an example of that.


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LunaHound wrote:

nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.

/OT

I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.

First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?

Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.

If only you had been introduced to the kazoo in time. All this could have been avoided!

LunaHound wrote:

nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.

/OT

I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.

First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?

Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.

While not my fulltime job, I still make a little money at it, but I still wouldn't call it a "job".

What do your parents say about you getting a dog?

From your posts so far, I see that you seem very angry at any one who questions you. Some day you may understand why your parents want you to play an instrument.

The weiner dogs you have are always indoors right?
Im thinking of getting the indoor type , short hair.

Considering Beagle or Jack Russell Terrier

LunaHound wrote:The weiner dogs you have are always indoors right?
Im thinking of getting the indoor type , short hair.

Considering Beagle or Jack Russell Terrier

Beagles and Jack Russells are both pretty active dogs. Expect that you will lose a couple hours a day to them, at least at first, as they can be pretty active. And Beagles are hound (albeit small ones)s, so be prepared for the baying.

On the the plus side they're smaller breeds, so can be easier to handle.

LunaHound wrote:The weiner dogs you have are always indoors right?
Im thinking of getting the indoor type , short hair.

Considering Beagle or Jack Russell Terrier

They are more indoors than outdoors, but thats a function of 1) until two weeks ago, all three sides of the fence were propped up with other boards; 2) Tbone is older than dirt and has seizures if not carefully controlled; 3) it was 105 yesterday; 4) Team Wienie likes it some sofa.

I would in NO WAY suggest a wiener dog. They are high maintenance. Russels are a bit nuts and need lots of exercise. AS noted, in your circumnstances I would not suggest a dog or cat. If anything, birds and fish require substantially less care.

Careful with smaller dogs. They are generally not good first time dogs as most are extremely stubborn and require a ton of training. Beagles are more of a medium sized dog. Not sure what type of dog to suggest as a lot of it has to do with lifestyle if you aren't gonna go for one of the bigger breeds where Goldens and Labs are always easy choices

...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.

nectarprime wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

nectarprime wrote:As a musician, I'd like to say that it's a shame that kids see music as a chore... it's such a huge, great part of my life, and I honestly feel sad that others are not as fortunate.

/OT

I think its clearly seen by your posts so far, you are pretty tunnel visioned in what you perceive of others.

First, You ever considered not everyone enjoy the same things? So you enjoy music, so you had fun growing up learning it. And eventually you turn that into a job, great! good for you!
but what makes you assume everyone share the same interest in music? or even better, what makes you think everyone would like the same specific instruments i listed?

Because i surely never get to choose, piano and violin are picked for me as they are supposed to be the most popular and elegant instrument in my parent's point of view.

While not my fulltime job, I still make a little money at it, but I still wouldn't call it a "job".

From your posts so far, I see that you seem very angry at any one who questions you. Some day you may understand why your parents want you to play an instrument.

Im not angry, i just have like.... no reason to be respectful towards your rude posts : )

The mods helped you already earlier by editing your rude posts in the other thread. I think you should take that as a que to follow the #1 rule?

Someday i'll understand why my parents want me to play instrument? You know, anyone with half a brain knows what you are implying.

Reported.

Do not get a Jack Russel as your first dog. You need to be experienced training, and constant exercise.

I have one right now, and without my previous experience, it would have be tough. You really need to do your research into what kind of breed you are getting.


EDIT: You know, the more I read this thread, the more I think you are not ready to handle a dog, I don't think you've really done any research into this matter, and you said yourself you planned on getting it without your parents permission. This just doesn't seem like the proper environment to harbor an animal

if i had to choose between my dog and warhammer........ to hell with my ork army

Sasori wrote:Do not get a Jack Russel as your first dog. You need to be experienced training, and constant exercise.

I have one right now, and without my previous experience, it would have be tough. You really need to do your research into what kind of breed you are getting.

Jack Russels are cool. Once the Wiener Legions have established the New Order, Jack Russels will be gifted with the status of speed freeks so that they can motorvate to their heart's content.

Balance wrote:...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.

I like mutts, as they are usually very smart.

My first pick would be visiting 3 local SPCAs , the chance of finding pure bread is really low :'P
and im sort of intimidated to get pit bulls or rottweilers.

As for socializing young dog / puppy, yes i have that ready, im surrounded by neighbors all with dogs xD

My friend's dog used to eat miniatures (even metal!) and dice. Something to think about.

Smaller dogs are often the most active, you should look at getting a book about dog breeds or even better talk to someone at a local dog shelter.

While I don't see a reason you shouldn't get a dog you can't rush it. Getting a dog is a lot easier than looking after one.

Either way, I think you have sufficient answers to make a decision going forward.

Now do you have approval to get a pet if you live in a household where you don't have the choice left to you unless aproved by parents/landlord/ect.?

LunaHound wrote:

Balance wrote:...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.

I like mutts, as they are usually very smart.

My first pick would be visiting 3 local SPCAs , the chance of finding pure bread is really low :'P
and im sort of intimidated to get pit bulls or rottweilers.

As for socializing young dog / puppy, yes i have that ready, im surrounded by neighbors all with dogs xD

They need to be physically around other dogs to socialize properly, as well as with their master. Staring at dogs through a fence is antisocialization. Dog parks etc are an ideal situation. Again, this is not a good option for your or the dog though.

Frazzled wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Balance wrote:...Not that there aren't some advantages to looking for a mutt or crossbreed that might be looking for a home.

I like mutts, as they are usually very smart.

My first pick would be visiting 3 local SPCAs , the chance of finding pure bread is really low :'P
and im sort of intimidated to get pit bulls or rottweilers.

As for socializing young dog / puppy, yes i have that ready, im surrounded by neighbors all with dogs xD

They need to be physically around other dogs to socialize properly, as well as with their master. Staring at dogs through a fence is antisocialization. Dog parks etc are an ideal situation. Again, this is not a good option for your or the dog though.

Yes, i'll bring them over for them to play. I mentioned im surrounded by neighbor with dogs, just to give you idea of how many people have dog as pets in the neighborhood.

WarOne wrote:Either way, I think you have sufficient answers to make a decision going forward.

Now do you have approval to get a pet if you live in a household where you don't have the choice left to you unless aproved by parents/landlord/ect.?

Its abit complicated without getting into it, but generally yes i have approval.

no dog for me. Just got rid of ours. We're more of cat people anyways.

LunaHound wrote:The mods helped you already earlier by editing your rude posts in the other thread. I think you should take that as a que to follow the #1 rule?

So should you. Again, both of you knock it off. If you're going to follow each other around reporting each other's posts when you're both being snarky, we're just as likely to remove the problem completely. Behave, or put each other on ignore.

insaniak wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The mods helped you already earlier by editing your rude posts in the other thread. I think you should take that as a que to follow the #1 rule?

So should you. Again, both of you knock it off. If you're going to follow each other around reporting each other's posts when you're both being snarky, we're just as likely to remove the problem completely. Behave, or put each other on ignore.

I have been polite, i only changed my tones after his multiple attacks.

But of course that falls under takes 2 to tango , ne?

<dakka has a most excellent "Ignore" feature, the envy of many another forum. also, get back on topic>

This thread needs a holy conversion:

Frazzled wrote:This thread needs a holy conversion:

Or Demonic possession...


....Also, I must second (third?) those who have advised against getting a Jack Russel if your unfamilar with training dogs.
Jack Russels require a great deal of time and paitence....plus, they can be VERY destructive.

Aww, Jack Terrier because my mom had 3 of them when she was growing up, one was called Teri ( short for Terrier )
Kuro ( black ) and Shiro ( white )

And beagle because my uncle ( her brother ) has one atm, and we always talk about that dog xD

Where are you in... say, 10 years? You can put away your Warhammer-stuff and move to another city, or another country. Exponentially harder once you have a pet to care for.

I take it you're pretty young. Do you have any plans for college? Do you want to travel?

I'm not gonna say "don't get a dog". I got two cats, they are the love of my life. But it's still a commitment, a long term commitment. And, depending on what kind of dog/pet you get. It can be pretty expensive, can you afford that or do your parents have to chip in (with all that brings). I spend more on my cats (vet's, food, etc) per year than I do on my hobbies combined.

Now, if you're set on a dog, get a Boerboel. Coolest dogs ever!

Get a corgi. It's small and shorthaired.

Are dogs happier with another dog in the house? or are they content from attention with just humans if they have tons of interaction?

This one I'll answer in most seriousness. Dogs are happier with other dogs around the house. My aunt and my mother both have 3 dogs a piece and both sets just thrive off eachother. They're always messing around with eachother and keeping eachother company.

Dogs are pack animals and they enjoy the pack. When old age hit the pack at my mom's house and she was down to just one animal it acted very lonely. When more dogs were introduced into the household, the "lonely" dog started acting much more lively because of the new dogs.

Anyways that's just my experience talking....I'm no Cesar Milan (who also says dogs enjoys packs).

-MightyG

After reading the thread, the primary recommendations I will make are don't get a puppy, and get a dog that is already (at least mostly) trained. Like others have said, while having any kind of dog is a big commitment, getting a puppy or a dog you will have to train yourself increases the difficulty of that commitment exponentially.