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insaniak wrote:It's not just the proportions. The spine is too straight for the legs to be lifted that high. He should be leaning back with his spine curved a little.

You need to work on your posture. His spine doesn't need a cubicle workers slump to make sense in a sitting position. He's not cross legged, the legs provide ample leverage for him to sit straight enough to see over his laserbox.

ShumaGorath wrote: His spine doesn't need a cubicle workers slump to make sense in a sitting position.

I'm not talking about being slumped. I'm talking about the fact that unless he is uncommonly flexible, having his knees up that high would require him to roll his hips back, which in turn results in the spine curving forwards in order to sit upright.

It's a possible pose. It just doesn't look right because for most people it would be either impossible or extremely uncomfortable.

insaniak wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote: His spine doesn't need a cubicle workers slump to make sense in a sitting position.

I'm not talking about being slumped. I'm talking about the fact that unless he is uncommonly flexible, having his knees up that high would require him to roll his hips back, which in turn results in the spine curving forwards in order to sit upright.

It's a possible pose. It just doesn't look right because for most people it would be either impossible or extremely uncomfortable.

Sitting on my bed I managed that pose no problem. I am not a gymnast. It looks overly difficult because his legs are short, it makes it seem like his hips are doing something unnatural. They aren't. His legs are just too small.

ShumaGorath wrote:

This looks silly.

I like Yarrick. What's wrong with him?

OT: They can fix the legs but they still need to fix the boring box-gun.

gicks30 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
This looks silly.

I like Yarrick. What's wrong with him?

OT: They can fix the legs but they still need to fix the boring box-gun.

He's a frail old man holding a 400 pound claw at his elbow and extending it several feet out. In his other hand he has a 100 pound storm bolter. It's ridiculous looking. It's world of warcraftian.

ShumaGorath wrote:Sitting on my bed I managed that pose no problem.

I rather doubt that, frankly. You might have managed what you thought was the same pose, but I would be willing to bet your spine wasn't that straight.

Not that it particularly matters. When you're talking aesthetics, whether or not the pose is possible is completely secondary to the fact that it looks unnatural.


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ShumaGorath wrote:He's a frail old man...

Hardly.

holding a 400 pound claw

Where is the weight of Yarrick's claw noted?

It's ridiculous looking. It's world of warcraftian.

It's par for the course for 40K, and pretty much every other scifi game currently in existence.

I rather doubt that, frankly. You might have managed what you thought was the same pose, but I would be willing to bet your spine wasn't that straight.

I'm willing to bet you don't do kinematics for a living.

Hardly.

As modeled he appears to be pretty decrepit. Y'know, aside from the engine block on his arm.

Where is the weight of Yarrick's claw noted?

It's a solid chunk of metal the size of an oil drum.

It's par for the course for 40K, and pretty much every other scifi game currently in existence.

Not that it particularly matters. When you're talking aesthetics, whether or not the pose is possible is completely secondary to the fact that it looks unnatural.

You make this too easy.

ShumaGorath wrote:

I'm willing to bet you don't do kinematics for a living.

I'm willing to bet that WGF soldier doesn't either.

Note how the knees on that guy in your picture are much lower down than the trooper's.

It's par for the course for 40K, and pretty much every other scifi game currently in existence.

Not that it particularly matters. When you're talking aesthetics, whether or not the pose is possible is completely secondary to the fact that it looks unnatural.

You make this too easy.

Not really sure what point you're making. WGF's scifi miniatures so far suffer just as much from the giant weapon aesthetic as GW's do.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Or maybe they tried the sitting pose, wound up with something that looked vaguely like WGF's effort here, and decided to go for something that didn't look as silly...

Other than the legs being 30% too short

'Then' is a completely different word to 'than', it's like confusing 'there' with 'they're' (short for they are).

As for the kneeling legs, they give a sense of action that the sitting pose does not. I get the impression that these guys could pack up their weapon quickly and move elsewhere whereas the sitting guy looks like he's settled down and isn't going anywhere in a hurry. Both are useful.

Here it is painted:

Nice angle; it completely hides both the featureless block at the back of the gun, and how short his thighs are.

And against all odds, they make it look worse. I have to agree, that angle completely hides the lack of detail on the back of the gun and the gunner's ridiculous legs. That just comes off as borderline deceptive. Does anyone know if they actually implemented the changes that they promised earlier in the thread?

what an ugly model, CAD just doesnt help here.

That almost looks like a painting, not a photograph of painted models. Thanks for sharing, hopefully they'll get some sprue images up soon.

Looks like a poster of a 50's sci fi flick

Doesnt really make the model look all that much better.

A bit off topic, I actually find it really funny a company would rather use Facebook to put up their news/up coming projects than their own official site

SkaerKrow wrote:That almost looks like a painting, not a photograph of painted models.

I suspect it's a digital painting of the original render.

It looks kind of 'squished.' I know it's a sci-fi weapon, but I think my expectations are that the rear end of a gun should be more of an elongated shape in-line with the barrel.

Making the image 120% wider would also make the legs look better, I guess.

I think the weapon looks fine, box and all. It's the legs that concern me. I assume they didn't get a model in a long coat to sit on the floor to work out the dimensions of this thing before they started.

Absolutionis wrote:Here it is painted:

3 heavy weapons, 6 crew and 2 commanders? I assume there isn't any HW-options as they aren't mentioned.

Even GW HW box gives more value with its 15 hw options that can be stretched to 15 hw teams with spare men and some fixin'.
I think I know which HW:s my Space Nazis will be using.

adhuin wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Here it is painted:

3 heavy weapons, 6 crew and 2 commanders? I assume there isn't any HW-options as they aren't mentioned.

Even GW HW box gives more value with its 15 hw options that can be stretched to 15 hw teams with spare men and some fixin'.
I think I know which HW:s my Space Nazis will be using.

Your assessment doesn't take into account the budget price point that WGF releases their figures at, or the fact that you should receive enough weapons in the Greatcoat kit that you will still come up with extra weapons (just as you do with the GW kit).

You mean this heavy weapon kit, or the original greatcoat troopers?

The original greatcoats were great and I have about 100 of of them. Extra poses from crew/commander are nice, but I'm more looking forward arming them with lot of heavy weaponry.

Assuming this costs same as greatcoat troopers (~16e+) and GW HW cadian box is (~24e+), then it should have at least 3x3 heavy weapons to match the quantity per euro. (using maelstroms prices as reference).

(edit: I'm not defending GW:s general price levels, but HW boxes are unbelievably good deals, when compared to any other gw products)

adhuin wrote:3 heavy weapons, 6 crew and 2 commanders? I assume there isn't any HW-options as they aren't mentioned.

It has a box with a pipe sticking out of it, that shoots fire. Why would you need any other options?

I gotta say, totally disappointed here. After the strong start WGF had with this line, they've just plain dropped the ball with this.

The gun itself is literally, a friggin' box with a pipe sticking out of it. It reminds me of the telephone service boxes I see all over town, usually on corners by the street. It's definitely not a man-portable weapon. I honestly can't imagine anything less exciting.

The gunner, sitting down like that, looks horrid. On the battlefield, if you're sitting down in such a position, you're dead the minute a grenade lands nearby or a sniper zeroes in on you. Hence why real troops kneel - to stay mobile in an emergency and get the hell out of there.

I think if they wanted him sitting down, they should have at least given him one of those cutesy little seats like GW used to have on their IG heavy weapons. At least then they'd be able to pose the legs properly and make them the correct size.

As it is this is a total miss. The gimped gunner, the telephone box, and the general blandness of the set will certainly not do much for WGF's Shock Trooper line.

Thrax wrote:The gunner, sitting down like that, looks horrid. On the battlefield, if you're sitting down in such a position, you're dead the minute a grenade lands nearby or a sniper zeroes in on you. Hence why real troops kneel - to stay mobile in an emergency and get the hell out of there.

While I still dont like it, as we have shown people do use machine guns/etc by sitting down like that

although they do tend to be smaller

From TGNews, New Pictures are up of the whole sprue and assembly:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/announcements/assemble-shock-troop-heavy-weapons-and-sprues

Assembled models:





Sprues:



Ignoring the heads, and the original "lascannon", it's not bad for the potential price point.
Also, kneeling legs are a welcome inclusion.

Oh god they're so very bad!

I'm not claiming that I could do any better if given a blob of sculpting clay and a knife, but this really appears as if creating a legion of mini- gothic Darth Vaders was the goal of the sculptor from inception.

BOW is reporting that the quality of the plastic will be better than these images show.

Considering that these models will be available fairly cheap, they're not awful. I may, at worst, buy a box just to raid for bits some time down the line.

Is it wrong to kind of...like them

The ones kneeling look better than the guys sitting down and I do like that dual gatling gun of death. I'm sure the models can be worked to look decent enough and the price will be key. I've been waiting to see how these turn out and I'm satisfied enough. What's wrong with a legion of mini Darth Vader's anyway?

The kneeling legs make these less terrible than I was expecting, and the gatling gun is cool. Now I'm wondering the kneeling legs could be used in place of the sitting ones. On the other hand, I'm a bit irritated with the decision to go with a katana for the officer's sword, as it kinda comes completely out of nowhere - there's really not a huge Japanese influence on these. A saber would've fit much better, I feel.

I'm not wowed, but I'm not disgusted. Could definitely be worse, but they're about in line with the originals. I don't get the katana on the officer though.