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Wow. These are as hideous as we all expected. The details are strange. Everything looks like it was slapped together out of cliches that they thought would look cool. And do they not understand legs at all? The kneeling legs are ridiculously short.

Actually, I quite like those images, I'm not blown away but yeah, given a decent paint job, they be cool enough for the imperial guard player on a budget.

Luckily, the Cadian missile launcher doesn't look bad on the standing great coat troopers, and you can sort of futz with them standing around the lascannon/ac cannon from the heavy weapons kit.

I'm not blown away - but I think they seem pretty reasonable as a budget friendly solution.

It's nice that they managed to sneak in some heavy weapons that actually look like weapons rather than some sort of projection equipment... And the sitting gunner looks a lot better with the slight pose change.

Can't say I'm blown away by these though. The detail looks very soft, and the 'officers' look really awkward.

Probably gonna get flamed for this...but the detail on the clothing is much better on these models than on the current Imperial Guardsmen.

The proportions of the models and their helmets really is a killer tho.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Actually, I quite like those images, I'm not blown away but yeah, given a decent paint job, they be cool enough for the imperial guard player on a budget.

Indeed. Make them realistically inexpensive and its game on.

Hmm, they still aren't trimming those necks. And the officer katana is very WTF. OTOH, I like the furry officer robe (but not his superbig hat), kneeling legs and the reworked sitter and weapons look better. Not lascannon looks bad, but I have a crapton of those anyway. If these are cheap enough (like the shock troops) I can definitely see their usefulness.

Also yay for no molded bases!

Dear god, the flash is just...ugh. I'm lazy so I usually rely on the flash being at a min but geez. Yea they say the plastic will improve, I wonder how much though. Its actually weird when you compare the heads. The missile launcher guy actually has a very nice helmet detail compared to the train conductor guy's hat

Meh is all I can say, its WGF. I dont expect quality from them, I do expect quantity

I'll be buying some and working on them a bit to prove that they are not that bad and actually very salvageable.

Maybe they'll be like the GW DreadKnight - everyone moans about the basic model but it looks fabulous when converted.

biccat wrote:Probably gonna get flamed for this...but the detail on the clothing is much better on these models than on the current Imperial Guardsmen.

The proportions of the models and their helmets really is a killer tho.

I don't see why you'd get flamed for expressing your opinion (haha, what am I saying). I do think you're completely wrong though. The folds and hang of the WFG models has a pretty tenuous basis in reality, as though the sculptor had clothes described to him or had one photo of a women in a dress from which to extrapolate all his information on the way cloth works.

I'm curious as to which elements you think are done better.


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poipo32 wrote:I'll be buying some and working on them a bit to prove that they are not that bad and actually very salvageable.

There are clearly some usable bitz there, and frankly they're never going to look _worse_ than in massive close up.

Absolutionis wrote:BOW is reporting that the quality of the plastic will be better than these images show.

Considering that these models will be available fairly cheap, they're not awful. I may, at worst, buy a box just to raid for bits some time down the line.

Those aren't awful. They're God-awful.

They make Citadel circa 1986 look spectacular.

Absolutionis wrote:BOW is reporting that the quality of the plastic will be better than these images show.

Considering that these models will be available fairly cheap, they're not awful. I may, at worst, buy a box just to raid for bits some time down the line.

Just in case you want to put some bad bits on your expensive models?

The guns, the masks, the arms, the legs, most of the poses... Not so good, to put it kindly. And it's like they took Soviet Russians, Nazis, Imperial Japanese, Fascist Italians, and Medieval Crusaders, and threw them haphazardly in a blender with results that are... again, not so good, to put it kindly.

I've seen worse, but ehhhhhhhh.

The minigun is OK, and I like the mask on the minigunner, but other than that, swing and a miss. Maybe a killer paint job would help some, but I don't know.

I'm rather pleased with them, to be honest. I don't need these (I built mine from WGF Shock Troopers and Cadian bits), but I'll get them to support the company and the line.

RatBot wrote:And it's like they took Soviet Russians, Nazis, Imperial Japanese, Fascist Italians, and Medieval Crusaders, and threw them haphazardly in a blender with results that are... again, not so good, to put it kindly.

In the grim darkness of the non-GW future, there are only blended armies!

I love these and will be getting a few boxes I LIKE the sitting pose as thats how these style of weapons are used.The sculpt looks fine to me (compared to GWs god awfull IG) And if I can save some money buying gloriefied wound markers I am all for it.

I like them. If I ever get done painting the goodly amount of models i have (realistcly 4 months if i push myself and batchpaint the rankers) I could see loading up on these (unless Mantic's corporation in jan looks better.....that or i find more warzone on the cheapzors.)

That katana IS weird. Maybe they were watching Godzilla: Final Wars when they decided on that. And then never stopped to think if it was actually a good idea.

Absolutionis wrote:From TGNews, New Pictures are up of the whole sprue and assembly:

Spoiler:

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/announcements/assemble-shock-troop-heavy-weapons-and-sprues

Assembled models:





Sprues:

I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Except not at all. Even if you hate the look of the Catachans and Cadians, they're still clearly better sculpted models. In what way are the WFG "miles ahead" other than attempting to pull of a look that you happen to find more interesting.

I get the impression that their arms are at least as long as their legs, if not longer. Which I'm pretty sure is a little unnatural. It's most obvious on the pointing guy.

The kneeling legs make these less terrible than I was expecting, and the gatling gun is cool. Now I'm wondering the kneeling legs could be used in place of the sitting ones. On the other hand, I'm a bit irritated with the decision to go with a katana for the officer's sword, as it kinda comes completely out of nowhere - there's really not a huge Japanese influence on these. A saber would've fit much better, I feel.

Don't you mean Lightsaber?

Chrysis wrote:I get the impression that their arms are at least as long as their legs, if not longer. Which I'm pretty sure is a little unnatural. It's most obvious on the pointing guy.

I personally enjoy the orangutan with the sword thing, and how the gunner sitting on his ass and leaning forward still comes up the officers shoulders.

I understand that they're cheap, and that's great, but why are people so adamant in supporting these guys? Did they get a production discount if their miniatures were awful? Give your money to someone doing something good, don't reward the barely acceptable just because there are no other alternatives.

plastictrees wrote:I understand that they're cheap, and that's great, but why are people so adamant in supporting these guys? Did they get a production discount if their miniatures were awful? Give your money to someone doing something good, don't reward the barely acceptable just because there are no other alternatives.

Don't come here bashing other people for their opinions while placing your own on a pedestal. You think they're terrible and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the figures are inarguably bad by any stretch.

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Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Except not at all. Even if you hate the look of the Catachans and Cadians, they're still clearly better sculpted models. In what way are the WFG "miles ahead" other than attempting to pull of a look that you happen to find more interesting.

The Cadians are well done but just visually uninteresting. And Catachans are better sculpted? really?

Aestheitc arguments aside, the basic greatcoats had 3 head options and 2 gun options + 2 special weapons on half a GW sprue. One thing they got is buyers like options so they gave us plenty. Imagine if the Cadians included not just the football helmet but also a gasmask and a tin pot option, how much better the kit would be.

I think Cadians are reasonably interesting to look at - they have enough of the old school Russian cannon fodder and enough sci-fi cannon fodder that you have a lot of different options with them.

These on the other hand seem to be a race of giant headed pygmies who scavenge clothing and equipment from the BBC props department of the 80's.

I like this pointing commander guy but the rest are not my cup of tea.

As with the basic troopers, these will work fine for my traitor guard.