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When I tried to order a box of the regular guys it said it cost around $30.00 USD for shipping. Do you guys get the same price (shipping to US-East Coast)? Seems a little steep for 18 guys of non-GW sculpting quality..

IRC you get 18 dudes in that kit, not 10.

They're back in business full time again then?

The legs do look pretty crappy from this angle.

Why not something longer?



The problem with the gun is that it is so very large and so lacking any detail. If the designer puts that many large flat surfaces on something they need a bot of relief.

As I've said before I like the Greatcoats, what they lack in detail they make up for in options and they're just a joy to work on.

And frankly next to the cartoony Catachans and the dull Cadians I don't really think there is a quality difference.

Now these... these... let's just say I'll wait to see the finished product.

That's a great idea.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:As I've said before I like the Greatcoats, what they lack in detail they make up for in options and they're just a joy to work on.

And frankly next to the cartoony Catachans and the dull Cadians I don't really think there is a quality difference.

Now these... these... let's just say I'll wait to see the finished product.

As has been mentioned, isn't THIS the final product?

Well technically this is a 3D render, not the actual model

however the current designs according to them are final

At least PSC has some plastic 28mm heavy weapons that dont look too silly

So close yet so far away. They always miss by such a small fraction that I was really hoping for better.

kenshin620 wrote:Well technically this is a 3D render, not the actual model

however the current designs according to them are final

At least PSC has some plastic 28mm heavy weapons that dont look too silly

Yes, that is what I meant

I guess I will reserve judgement when I see these guys in the flesh.

Lets be honest it won't take too much effort to make a better weapon, At least it could be converted into some sort of anti tank weapon or future heavy manpad.

I want to see what's on the sprues. A few intersting guns or heads will make the difference between buy or pass.

Quick question: is shipping still screwed up or can i safely order these without loosing my money?

I dont know about their site itself, to be on the safe side I always use online retailers like warstore who have good reputation

I'm sorry. I liked the Greatcoats. I didn't like that the weapons were attached, but otherwise it was a great kit for the price.

THIS turd, however, is a butt-fugly miniature. The proportions aren't right and it breaks rule #1, it's BORING. The gun is mind-numbingly boxy and lackluster. I hope they don't embarrass themselves by putting that render into production.

Shock Trooper...it's Shockingly Bad Trooper with Snore Cannon.

I'm sorry they just look like pound store space men ! Not good they need to take lessons from AOW on how to do great looking and quality sculpts .

Don't get me wrong. I love when companies like this put out alternative product. But this looks like they're trying to "play it safe". The Baby-Legs are unforgivable though.

The problem isn't that the legs are too short, the problem is that they're pulled backwards to an almost impossible angle. Hopefully they're rework them before they get sent off for mold making. Thankfully they didn't go with the awful concept drawings that they had done previously. I might have mined that kit for bits for my Greatcoats, but it was still really hokey looking.

Edit: No, I take it back. The legs are a bit too small.

kenshin620 wrote:

Larger legs and wheels instead of a tripod would make this model so much better.

Theduke07 wrote:Sitting instead of the classic one knee squat is pretty lame

Lame? By what criteria? "Rule of Cool", I take it?

Sitting <text redacted; do NOT attempt to evade the profanity filter --Janthkin> behind a crew-served weapon is comfortable, and if you throw your feet on or over the the tripod it helps support the weapon as well (every bit counts!).


That being said, this model is a step below "Meh." Fix the legs and weapon.

I keep trying to cut this thing slack, I'm trying not to rip into it. But, it's just..bad.

Better than the normal Greatcoats, but still very "budget" looking.

Fetterkey wrote:Better than the normal Greatcoats, but still very "budget" looking.

How do you figure it to be better than the original Greatcoat release? It's the same model, but with slightly emaciated legs. Do you just hate legs or something?

I know that people give the cannon some grief, but I actually really like it. It looks like a piece of military hardware, more realistic and less toy-like (though it could stand to have a couple of extra details added just for good measure). For those keeping score, Wargames Factory has indicated that they are including some of the bits from the original heavy weapon renders in the new kit, and that this concept art represents the final product as it will be released. Essentially, this is the kit that we're getting, no changes. I actually don't have any need for this kit (I bashed together WGF Shock Troopers and 40k Cadian Weapons Teams for my army), but I'll end up snagging a few just to flesh out my collection and support the Shock Trooper miniatures range.

Definite improvement over the first heavy weapon concept pictures. Doesn't mean it's good. My orks might like the gun though.

Edit: On the other hand, I've been looking at the WF greatcoat troopers as a traitor guard source - the short legs could be a mutation.

The weapon looks like the kind of things kids in Primary School make out of boxes and cardboard tubes. I'm sure the Greatcoats' mums will be very impressed.

SkaerKrow wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:Better than the normal Greatcoats, but still very "budget" looking.

How do you figure it to be better than the original Greatcoat release? It's the same model, but with slightly emaciated legs. Do you just hate legs or something?

The weird legs here are still better than the ludicrous coat billow physics (or lack thereof) on the original Greatcoats.

Some new info from TMP

http://theminiaturespage.com/news/150409/

We've just posted a 3D-view of our new Shock Trooper Heavy Energy Cannon and gunner on our website (this will be how the final model looks unpainted). Come check it out!



We'll be releasing them as soon as we approve the samples that are in route to us now and get them painted. Set comes with three heavy weapons crew (two per weapon) and three officers. The set includes nine model infantry and heavy weapons to make three each of the following - Missile Launcher, Energy Cannon, Mortar, Heavy Chain Gun. That way, you can arm your teams however you like, and have lots of bits left over.

This set will come with bases and retail for $19.95 USD.

It's the same picture with the same stubby legs but I hold out hope it's an optical illusion or that it was corrected. If not I can always use standing troopers I guess.

No autocannon which is a shame even though that may be the easiest to kitbash up.

Still for $20 this set is bound to have enough useful bitz for most players.

So what if the gun is subpar: Who is using these guys without swapping out weapons for GW weapon bits?

Kilkrazy wrote:The legs do look pretty crappy from this angle.

Why not something longer?



The problem with the gun is that it is so very large and so lacking any detail. If the designer puts that many large flat surfaces on something they need a bot of relief.

Possibly stupid question: Is the 'sitting on butt, legs stretched out in front' historically accurate, as in a position gunners of similar weapons were trained to use at some point? I know I sit like that when I need to work on something low to the ground, but I'm kind of lazy at times, move slow, and rarely get shot at. It doesn't look very 'actiony' or heroic... Most war movies seem to focus on guys firing similar weapons either crouched down or flat on their stomach.

But I won't be surprised if it is or was the standard, recommended firing pose.

(This is aimed at Killkrazy's Copplestone Castings link.)

CT GAMER wrote:So what if the gun is subpar

Its not just the gun, its the man behind it

edit to answer balance

well google gave me these pics