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I ordered a dreadnought and a couple of arms...

Great idea - buy from a knock off company because it's cheap - support the Chinese takeover of the world.

Awesome idea!

The free world has gone to crap - but I saved $10 on my miniatures....

sigh.....do we really want to support this kind of thing....in a country that has standards that would have people going to jail in most of the free worlds?

They also sell cheap hard to get bases, bulk 40mm, 60mm, bikes, etc. I've bought from them on ebay but never seen their full store.

Hey, look at it this way- if you buy from them, you're at once making a statement to Games Workshop about their over-the-top prices, and supporting the expansion of Capitalizm in China.

I'm surprised this topic is open and that mod(s) have even posted.

Aldonis wrote:Great idea - buy from a knock off company because it's cheap - support the Chinese takeover of the world.

Awesome idea!

The free world has gone to crap - but I saved $10 on my miniatures....

sigh.....do we really want to support this kind of thing....in a country that has standards that would have people going to jail in most of the free worlds?

I really don't think it's this extreme...
If anything it will show GW that a small price drop is much in need.

Anvildude wrote:Hey, look at it this way- if you buy from them, you're at once making a statement to Games Workshop about their over-the-top prices, and supporting the expansion of Capitalizm in China.

You're really not. GW and Forge World have supposedly pulled their manufacturing from China for this specific reason.

Anvildude wrote:Hey, look at it this way- if you buy from them, you're at once making a statement to Games Workshop about their over-the-top prices, and supporting the expansion of Capitalizm in China.

It's really easy to sell something cheap when you don't have sculptors and designers to pay.

Theduke07 wrote:I'm surprised this topic is open and that mod(s) have even posted.

Why whats wrong with the topic? Based on the number of pages people seem interested in it.

Because its recasting even if legal in China is usually frowned upon. Talking about casting GW bits usually got the topic locked so I can't imagine why talking about recasting websites would be any better.

Since this seems to be legit(as far as china goes) I may have to order some bases for my terminators. I could get 40 40mm temple(mystery) style bases 30$. That's a massive bargain. Probably get some DW shoulder pads too seeing as they are only 5$.

FW dreads for 17.50$.... damn this stuff is cheap. Could get all forge world dreads for your army cheaper than the GW plastics.

I just paid 64.98 for a Warbike Boss and Grot Tank set. I will post pics when I get them. Great deal.

Anyone read this?

If you get the wrong item by our mistake,please connect us.
About the return:
We accept return but the buyer should pay the shipping fee for back.
When we get the returned item,we will refund the payment.
Most of our miniatures are not original.
So they don't have original colour box,but the kit is high quality,ready to assemble and paint.
Please login and go shipping.

I did. Not surprised. Don't care that much if they are decent quality and they aren't ripping people off.

So, I just want to double check here. This guy is legit, and what he... produces is good quality?

If that's the case, then I'll happily get a Dark Angels Dreadnought, 2 multimelta arms and a CC arm.

It isn't legal but it doesn't seem to be a scam and the stuff sold is of good quality according to Kroothawk.

[quote=[So]Rice]Anyone read this?

If you get the wrong item by our mistake,please connect us.
About the return:
We accept return but the buyer should pay the shipping fee for back.
When we get the returned item,we will refund the payment.
Most of our miniatures are not original.
So they don't have original colour box,but the kit is high quality,ready to assemble and paint.
Please login and go shipping.

Sent them an email, tryin to see if I can't get them to sell some of the other kits in the FW range

Honestly, the fact that so many people are positively eager to use a more-than-likely illegal source for models ought to be a wake-up call to GW. Yes, you need to pay Designers and Sculptors- but look at that! Three or more people just bought items at those lower prices, that most likely would not have bought them from Forgeworld at the higher prices. So say you have four people. One of them buys a FW model, at, say, $60 US. It cost Forgeworld 15 dollars to make that model (we'll discount shipping for now, because the ones that profit off that are a third party) so they're gaining about $45. Obviously some of that would go to sculptors and the like, but right now we're looking at just Gross profit (and truth be told, the materials and labor cost would only be around $5 for all but the hugest of models- resin's cheap, and easy to use if you have the proper equipment The rest of that $15 is going right to the makers).

Now look at all four of those people, buying the same model for ~$20. You're making $5 profit off each of those- $20 there. However, these are illegal 'ripoffs' of the model. Many people balk at the legality of it, and so don't buy the model.

What if you sold the model, legally, from the manufacturer, for $25? You'd get the people with the money (who'd probably buy 2 or 3 instead of just one, based on consumer profiles and psychology- they're willing to spend the money, and they'd see it as a 'great deal'- you see it all the time in clothes shoppers, and with other products that are non-perishable and multi-use) you'd get the people with very limited budgets, who nonetheless want the model (and would otherwise be buying from illegal knockoffs) and you'd get the people who have the money for the more expensive model, but balk at the price, yet are unwilling due to moral issues to use a less-than-legal method of obtaining them. You open the market to probably three or four times the buyers, both psychologically and economically- more than offsetting the loss of revenue due to decreased per-capita price.

Its not illegal in China, and its not illegal to buy forged goods either afaik.

Nothing's really illegal in China as long as you're in a well-off position to begin with.

the difference between illegal and legal is only a matter of being caught and proven guilty.

What a stupid thing to say. The difference between legal and illegal has nothing to do with being caught, only the difference in whether you're punished for it or not.

Like I said proven guilty would imply punishment

Anvildude wrote:Honestly, the fact that so many people are positively eager to use a more-than-likely illegal source for models ought to be a wake-up call to GW. Yes, you need to pay Designers and Sculptors- but look at that! Three or more people just bought items at those lower prices, that most likely would not have bought them from Forgeworld at the higher prices. So say you have four people. One of them buys a FW model, at, say, $60 US. It cost Forgeworld 15 dollars to make that model (we'll discount shipping for now, because the ones that profit off that are a third party) so they're gaining about $45. Obviously some of that would go to sculptors and the like, but right now we're looking at just Gross profit (and truth be told, the materials and labor cost would only be around $5 for all but the hugest of models- resin's cheap, and easy to use if you have the proper equipment The rest of that $15 is going right to the makers).

Now look at all four of those people, buying the same model for ~$20. You're making $5 profit off each of those- $20 there. However, these are illegal 'ripoffs' of the model. Many people balk at the legality of it, and so don't buy the model.

What if you sold the model, legally, from the manufacturer, for $25? You'd get the people with the money (who'd probably buy 2 or 3 instead of just one, based on consumer profiles and psychology- they're willing to spend the money, and they'd see it as a 'great deal'- you see it all the time in clothes shoppers, and with other products that are non-perishable and multi-use) you'd get the people with very limited budgets, who nonetheless want the model (and would otherwise be buying from illegal knockoffs) and you'd get the people who have the money for the more expensive model, but balk at the price, yet are unwilling due to moral issues to use a less-than-legal method of obtaining them. You open the market to probably three or four times the buyers, both psychologically and economically- more than offsetting the loss of revenue due to decreased per-capita price.

Logic and a rudimentary understanding of economics? From GW? You are fooling yourself, sir.

Commisar Wolfie wrote:the difference between illegal and legal is only a matter of being caught and proven guilty.

Sorry to go off topic, but...
if I don't get caught commiting an illegal act, what I did was legal?

going of topic is only against forum rules if the mods hit me on the head with a hammer?

Just pointing this out, we don't KNOW that this is a recast. The "not original" text could have been an error in translation and could not mean what we think it means. For all we know, this guy is taking an EPIC hit for lower prices.

Happygrunt wrote:Just pointing this out, we don't KNOW that this is a recast.

Yes we do. Even if you're so naively optimistic as to think there's some magical chinese gaming fairy who resells genuine FW models at a loss, the fact that elsewhere on the site there are plastic or metal bits being resold as resin casts puts any doubt to rest.

As I mentioned earlier he has listed a load of 40K items as "War Game" or some such.
Strange thing to do if he was above board. Not conclusive proof of course.
Even if they were originals, it is not going to be welcomed by GW that their products are being sold under another brand name.

Either way is contravening GWs legal terms

So, you have evidence, or you think you know? Again, a lot of this could be lost in translation. And I have not seen these plastic and resin recasts. Do I think this is shady business, yah. Is it probably recasts, yah. Do we have any evidence besides internet ramblings and conjectures? No.

(Let me say this. I think this is a recast job. I am simply presenting the other side of the argument.)