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Strange, Firefox will not go onto that site, but IE went on straight away

A couple of years ago, I'd have looked at this and gone, 'Pah, I prefer my models to be legal!' Sadly, I now look at the GW shop and go, 'Pah, I prefer my models to affordable!' If this site stays open and actually sells decent recasts, it's going to pummel legimtate GW sales on the net.

Only reason I'm not buying anything is they haven't gotten to a kit I want...

HOLY CRAP it has the Wolfen Prowler I've been looking for that model for quite a while

PLEASE someone tell me if this site is legit!

this isn't new... china doesn't do anything about material thats been copy righted, they are notorious B.I.G about that. these models are probably just cheaply casted though its china... you get what you pay for

1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

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About the return:
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We accept return but the buyer should pay the shipping fee for back.
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When we get the returned item,we will refund the payment.
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So they don't have original colour box,but the kit is high quality,ready to assemble and paint.
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Damnit! I am going to place a test order, you cannot argue with this kind of backhanded honesty.

Kroothawk wrote:I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Hang on, I thought FW was the premium range of the best minis maker in the world!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Question to the OP

Are you sure they are in China?
A quick google about the company has only shown a link to the webpage in the linky.
Translate this page from Spanish

Cannot find any contact address or details other than the email addy. This is rather cause for more concern than anything else.
They may be legit for all I know, but am reluctant to trust someone with no form of address other than electronic.
Most on line sellers provide info about themselves

Yes I did a whois on the domain name and it is a Chinese registrar and they have a chinese name server. Also this is from the shipping section of the website.

Shiipping:

When the total over $20.00,shipping fee will be free.

Item will be send by registered China airmail.

That is how I came to the conclusion it was china., that and china copies everything from everyone, the last thing china invented was the wok.

Is okay thanks, subsequently saw all the China postage thing
as mentioned above.
It just threw me with Google translation from Spanish.

made a small purchase. ie $5 . if it arrives all good, if not nothing major lost.

I am ordering the Warbike Warboss. I will let you guys know when it shows. Totally worth risking 25 bones.

OMG see how cheap the DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG COMMAND HQ SQUAD are.

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote:made a small purchase. ie $5 . if it arrives all good, if not nothing major lost.

Be willing to pay $25 shipping on that, only over $20 ships for free.
Can't wait to see if this is legit and good quality, if it is, I'm totally buying the DKoK commisar and command squad.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Well there you have it folks. Confirmation that they will indeed send you stuff. And equal to FW casting at that!


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And wow, did you guys see their bases? There are some really cool bases pictured!

The Chinese... can't believe I believed that miniatures would be left untouched by them. Damn they are cheap!

Kroothawk wrote:1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

So, would you recommend them?

Doing a search about this, I found a rather lengthy discussion about this website on another forum.

The link starts on Page 7 because that is the point that the actual website URL is brought up. And they go into a pretty good discussion about it. I didn't read all of it though. This is from 2010.

http://www.dragonpainting.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1596&start=60

Edit: Ok reading more of it, apparently they are discussing an Ebay'er who appears to be selling recasts. And they believe it is the operator of miniatureshobby.com Basically someone bought some Rackham stuff and then filed a paypal/ebay dispute and had a hell of a time with it. Apparently Ebay wouldn't pull listings until they were contacted by the IP holder. But the copycats popped up again later anyways.

So this guy is just recasting stuff and selling it. But it is a real business and does deliver product.

Interested to see how reliable they are. Prices are temting for the forge world stuff

Kroothawk wrote:1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

As they say, "nothing ventured, nothing gained"

Totally buying 2 DKoK Commissars and the Command squad for 32 bucks. That's a steal. (Pun intended, you mad? )

Damn, now I might look into this...

So its been proven legit? If it is, I am totally getting the DKoK stuff.

Can GW do anything about this, I dont want them to die because of these re-casters.

Happygrunt wrote:Can GW do anything about this, I dont want them to die because of these re-casters.

GW isn't going to die because of a re-caster.

Around €8 for 5 sanguinary guard or €26 from gamesworkshop

Around €16 for a dreadknight or €42.25 from gamesworkshop

Around €20 for a dreadnought with arms or €40 from forgeworld

China's awesome.

insaniak wrote:The whois lookup has the website registered in China.

The domain may be registered in China but it is being hosted in California USA

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-173-252-192-0-1/pft


ping www.miniatureshobby.com Pinging www.miniatureshobby.com [173.252.203.132] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=123ms TTL=48 Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=48 Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=116ms TTL=48 Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=102ms TTL=48 Ping statistics for 173.252.203.132: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 96ms, Maximum = 123ms, Average = 109ms

ARIN.net says 173.252.203.132 is being hosted in CA. Interesting...

Just a mirror site.

Kroothawk wrote:5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Lol, that actually got my attention. I don't see it on the sight though.

I ordered a DKoK command squad and the fancy-pants Inquisitor. Will see what arrives in the mail in a couple of weeks.

Worth a try

Platuan4th wrote:So, would you recommend them?

I can recommend them for delivering good casts of the models in reasonable time. I have no insight in the legality of the casts. But in my case, FW didn't offer an alternative. So you decide.

Bookwrack wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Lol, that actually got my attention. I don't see it on the sight though.

Hmm, seems they are gone now. Luckily, I got 2 more sets this year.

BTW these are their original concepts: