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Barrage Bombs are not used for ship to ship combat. they are purely a surface bombardment weapon.

the only one of the 3 orbital bombardments that will be used for space combat would be the Lance Strike.

people have been saying that a lasgun wound and a shotgun wound would have nothing in common. I disagre. The Lasbolt would super heat the tissue which would create steam within the affected body part. steam is much higher in volume than a comparable mass of liquid. This would result in a violent explosion in the tissue which would; i imagine result in some pretty severe trauma.

The one thing with I have about Lasguns is the power.
If they can charge by solar power, that's limited by the amount of light hitting the carging panel.
Surely a single shot of laser that can cut through metal would use the same amount of power as a full day's light. Drained in one shot.
Power out can't be greater than power in.

The problem with 40k is that a lasgun, much like an imperial guard soldier, both have a strength of three.

To say that any ranged weapon is equal to the force one guardsman can put out is laughable at best.

Add into the fact that orks, who are supposed to be bigger and tougher than humans, also have a strength of three and you see where the flaws of the statline Str Vs Tough to wound system are.

Actually "strength" isn't even a true representation of raw physical strength, but rather a capability of wounding an opponent.

Think about it this way-- a knife wound is quite deadly for entirely different reasons, despite having less impact than a bullet.

Melissia wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Stupidly written and inconsistent fluff is still stupidly written and inconsistent fluff, no matter how insistent you are on using it.

So what are you basing your argument on?

A desire for consistency.

That doesn't make sense.

The background is the background, and if it says that Power Armor can withstand an orbital bombardment I'm afraid that Power Armor can, indeed, withstand an orbital bombardment.

Power Armor is more durable than vehicles in many cases, even on the table top. An AP4 Manticore shot will bounce off of Power Armor 66% of the time. So in this instance the armor is stronger than a Land Raider's hull.

Are you going to start taking the position that tabletop stats are a direct representation of the lore now?

Please say you are, MR, because I do need a good laugh

Melissia wrote:Are you going to start taking the position that tabletop stats are a direct representation of the lore now?

Please say you are, MR, because I do need a good laugh

No, they aren't a direct representation. The tabletop stats are actually toned down quite a bit. That's why Power Armor can withstand Orbital Barrages in the fluff, and only Land Raider killing blasts on the table top.

Though this conversation is pointless if the only standard for discussion is the "Fluff as Melissia Thinks it Should Have Been Written."

Monster Rain wrote:That's why Power Armor can withstand Orbital Barrages in the fluff

Except it can't.

Nuclear weapons are less powerful than orbital bombardments (The Imperium doesn't like using them because they're inefficient and dirty up planets, they have cleaner bombs that are more powerful than nukes), and yet said nuclear weapons are capable of vaporizing artificier armor.

Skinnereal wrote:The one thing with I have about Lasguns is the power.
If they can charge by solar power, that's limited by the amount of light hitting the carging panel.
Surely a single shot of laser that can cut through metal would use the same amount of power as a full day's light. Drained in one shot.
Power out can't be greater than power in.

Solar power is just one of the ways to recharge las cells, and pretty much a minor one at that. The main way it to plug them into charging stations, hooked up to a power network. That gives plenty of charge. Other methods are just for extreme situations, like having to recharge away from base by placing them in a fire.

That sorts that out then.

Melissia wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:That's why Power Armor can withstand Orbital Barrages in the fluff

Except it can't.

Your cognitive dissonance is admirable.

There's already a quote in this very thread of fluff where that very thing happens. I'd repost it, but you know that it's there. You responded to it. You're arguing for the sake of arguing now, so I'll leave you to it.

Monster Rain wrote:[You're arguing for the sake of arguing now, so I'll leave you to it.

No, I'm arguing because the position that power armor is OMGWTFINVINCIBLE is nonsensical.

Power armor cant survive orbital strikes/nukes etc.
Only way marines etc could survive would be by been in a location where the damage could be absorbed, for example inside a bunker, or a city ruins.
Power armour would augment the survival chance of a marine. its not god armour.
read the horus heresy book where istvaan 3? gets bombed. only the marines in shelters survive.

Melissia wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:That's why Power Armor can withstand Orbital Barrages in the fluff

Except it can't.

Nuclear weapons are less powerful than orbital bombardments (The Imperium doesn't like using them because they're inefficient and dirty up planets, they have cleaner bombs that are more powerful than nukes), and yet said nuclear weapons are capable of vaporizing artificier armor.

Orbital barrages is pretty vague as the Imperium has a myriad of weapons capable of bombarding a planet.


Barrage Bombs, as mentioned, are a Torpedo payload specifically designed for planetary bombardment. their only stat line is Ap4. so, as the fluff clearly stated this is what was being dropped on the GKs, the marines were perfectly capable of surviving.

a Lance Strike wouldn't be survivable as that is as a ship based Lance weapon.

a melta torpedo would also be impossable to survive a direct hit from.



its all relative to the weapon being used in the orbital bombardment weather a marine's PA can take it.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:read the horus heresy book where istvaan 3? gets bombed. only the marines in shelters survive.

That was due to the Life-Eater virus, though, which is completely different (it can only be survived by living organisms by avoiding contact with it, hence the bunkers being airtight and saving them simply by providing a barrier). It's never stated how powerful the firestorm afterwards would have been.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:read the horus heresy book where istvaan 3? gets bombed. only the marines in shelters survive.

That was due to the Life-Eater virus, though, which is completely different (it can only be survived by living organisms by avoiding contact with it, hence the bunkers being airtight and saving them simply by providing a barrier). It's never stated how powerful the firestorm afterwards would have been.

this is a quote from galaxy in flames

Those Astartes who had survived the viral attack found themselves consumed in flames as they desperately sought to find cover once more. But against this firestorm there could be no cover for those who had dared to brave the elements