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wow haters gotta hate on this thread!

Multi player is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

This game will last a long time as new content will be pushed out next month and the developer has annnounced on going content.

mk2 wrote:This game will last a long time as new content will be pushed out next month and the developer has annnounced on going content.

The game has to survive the first month my friend. Then it has to survive all the blockbusters, which I doubt it will.

LordofHats wrote:

mk2 wrote:This game will last a long time as new content will be pushed out next month and the developer has annnounced on going content.

The game has to survive the first month my friend. Then it has to survive all the blockbusters, which I doubt it will.

You seriously believe that everyone who dropped $60 on this game, 40K fanatic or no, will stop playing it once GOW3, BF3, MW3, all vastly different games, comes out?

Please give me the drug you are taking because I wish I could be that ignorant and pessimistic everyday.

Karon wrote:

LordofHats wrote:

mk2 wrote:This game will last a long time as new content will be pushed out next month and the developer has annnounced on going content.

The game has to survive the first month my friend. Then it has to survive all the blockbusters, which I doubt it will.

You seriously believe that everyone who dropped $60 on this game, 40K fanatic or no, will stop playing it once GOW3, BF3, MW3, all vastly different games, comes out?

Please give me the drug you are taking because I wish I could be that ignorant and pessimistic everyday.

Space marine is a completely different game too. People, or at least the ones i know, dont just play one game for 3 or 4 months, so the idea of playing both mw3 and sm is not completely rediculous.

Karon wrote:You seriously believe that everyone who dropped $60 on this game,

It's almost as if you believe people will play a game just because they payed for it. Most people in the developed world, have the money to waste on a video game to hold them over till others come out. Space Marines fate (imo) is going to be the same as that of Transformers: War for Cybertron. People play games to have fun. If the DLC and new maps were coming out in two weeks, I'd be singing a different tune. But their not. A month is a long wait for people who will eventually find other things to do.

40K fanatic or no, will stop playing it once GOW3, BF3, MW3, all vastly different games, comes out?

People don't have infinite time to play every game. And you're wrong on one part. No matter how much people deny it, Space Marine is much like Gears of War. It comes on September 20th. If SM survives that shift with enough people, maybe it'll make it. I just don't think the odds are in SM's favor. EDIT: Vastly different is also exaggerated. Shooters are shooters and those games will almost certainly have more content out of the box for $60 than Space Marine brought to the table. Dolling out your content without offering much in the first place is not the best way to keep people interested. I almost think SM would have been better off coming out after the holidays, with more maps and the co-op already available.

I like the game too, but it doesn't change what I think is the most likely scenario. 5 maps and 2 game modes is the biggest lack of content I've seen in a full price game in awhile. It's almost like you can't like a game a lot and still criticize it around these parts...

I wouldn't mind more maps and modes, but I'm not going to complain about it.

I really think you overestimate people running away from their games for other games, ever heard of WoW?

Also, I really don't think its much like gears, I like gears, but I probably won't be running out to buy it; that's reserved for the Halo anniversary edition, lol.

daedalus-templarius wrote:I really think you overestimate people running away from their games for other games, ever heard of WoW?

WoW has been dying the past year as I understand it, but come on? All the time WoW has been out, whose been there to compete with it? Tabula Rasa? Warhammer Online? The biggest MMO release in years was Rift. MMO's are not good analogies for shooters, especially since no matter how repetitive WoW is, there's hundreds of hours of content in it.

Also, I really don't think its much like gears, I like gears, but I probably won't be running out to buy it; that's reserved for the Halo anniversary edition, lol.

I'm a Gears hater myself I've never thought the GoW series was particularly good and never really enjoyed it.

Yea, everyone KEEPS PLAYING WoW with all of those alternatives that have come out!

Hundreds of hours, bleh. I guess if you can call most of it 'content', I'm still recovering from throwing way too much time into that damn game.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Yea, everyone KEEPS PLAYING WoW with all of those alternatives that have come out!

My point was that were wasn't any real competition. Tabula Rasa crashed pretty fast, and Warhammer Online died down about a year after release and neither came close to WoW's success. Guild Wars got did well but GW's is an anomaly in MMORPG's and still never succeeded like wow did. Comparing SM to WoW is a poor comparison. The games are in completely different situations.

I wasn't directly comparing them, I was just saying some people play the same thing forever, regardless what else is coming out.

I've been playing Reach since it came out, and not really any other shooter (other than the GoW3 beta), till SM released. I hope SM just does well enough to warrant a sequel, because there is so much more they could do with this engine and gameplay.

Sigh, I wish Warhammer Online had of been a decent game, so much good art and lore, such bad gameplay.

mk2 wrote:wow haters gotta hate on this thread!

Multi player is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

This game will last a long time as new content will be pushed out next month and the developer has annnounced on going content.

get real, this runs through steam, so expect to pay a low low fee of $14.99 for each DLC. But wait! Theres more! Pre-order now, and get this beautiful useless WH40K themed accessory for your Team Fortress 2 charactor, free!



With that out of the way, here is what I have to say (repost from a.... well, you can't go there so not a repost as youre concerned)


I give this game a 3/10

-it gets boring and repetitive rather quickly [see below]
-there are only two game modes [could have had objectives, FFA.... I eagerly await exterminatus co-op mode...]
-no point to being chaos or loyalist, loadout is identical, so theres no curveballs [come on, give me some reason to care if im on one team or another beyond the fact that CSM armor looks cooler]
-could have added orcs as an Mplayer team [Shootaboy? check, Lootaboy? check, Stormboy? check.... so... why are they missing? because armor doesnt regenerate? it shouldnt either way....]
-The game is riding on space marines' and WH40k's awesome factor and nothing else [what is this game really delivering to us? jumppacks? we've had them in halo. Excessive gore when you take a rotating set of teeth to someones face? thats gears of war....... This game introduces nothing new to us]
-very few maps with terrible map rotation, played the same map 3 times in 5 games.... [can be solved via servers, which doesn't matter, cause we won't get them, and should have given us more than 5 maps. Additional game modes would have made the 5 less monotonous, but as it stands, its just annoying because there is so much more in the world of 40k to explore than 5 districts of a forgeworld]
-customisation doesn't fly very well. You essentially have three pidgeonhole roles. [Should have had a veteran/chosen class as well, that allows for some crossover between roles], and then messing with armor and armor color is irrelevant; I barely ever take stock of my enemies' kit-outs, and the clashing colors are sometimes more annoying as I find myself ignoring enemies and shooting at teammates
-give us one set of iconic weapons but not the basics? I want mah missile launcher [Can we please have a destructible environment? I want to frag stuff up if I can't get at my oponent] and flamer [hello sticky flaming goodness]


I may reconsidder, but my rating is unlikely to go up past 5/10 come late october, but may fall as low as 1/10....

Now don't everyone get hissey pissey with me about being a THQ, Relic, or GW or whatever else hater. I've evaluated the game, and they have offered us nothing... in fact they've fallen well short on what most everyone else has been satisfying and delivering on.

I disagree.
Its the first real multiplatform video game warhammer has to offer, and you should take what you have right now instead of complaining about the things it doesnt.
Not only that, but Space Marine does introduce alot of new concepts, melee being the first obviously. Very few games incorporate melee like space marine does. Next being obviously the jump packs (which indeed are very different than halos), and so on and so forth.

Hope it survives gears, cause Gears multiplayer can suck a big one. Hordes is fun though.

Jollydevil wrote:I disagree.
Its the first real multiplatform video game warhammer has to offer, and you should take what you have right now instead of complaining about the things it doesnt.

Thats not a reason to consider it a good game... if anything thats more reason to be critical of it, if it wants to be successful and spawn sequels, it needs to sell well, it can't do that riding on the tail of the existing fanbase alone.

Not only that, but Space Marine does introduce alot of new concepts, melee being the first obviously. Very few games incorporate melee like space marine does. Next being obviously the jump packs (which indeed are very different than halos), and so on and so forth.

Yeah, very few games incorporate melee like space marine does, except Dynasty Warriors, Devil May Cry, God of War, Dante's Inferno, Bayonetta, etc. etc. etc. The jump pack is cool, but thats hardly enough to build a game on.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:I disagree.
Its the first real multiplatform video game warhammer has to offer, and you should take what you have right now instead of complaining about the things it doesnt.

Thats not a reason to consider it a good game... if anything thats more reason to be critical of it, if it wants to be successful and spawn sequels, it needs to sell well, it can't do that riding on the tail of the existing fanbase alone.

Not only that, but Space Marine does introduce alot of new concepts, melee being the first obviously. Very few games incorporate melee like space marine does. Next being obviously the jump packs (which indeed are very different than halos), and so on and so forth.

Yeah, very few games incorporate melee like space marine does, except Dynasty Warriors, Devil May Cry, God of War, Dante's Inferno, Bayonetta, etc. etc. etc. The jump pack is cool, but thats hardly enough to build a game on.

Thats not what im talking about. Just because a game has melee doesnt mean its like space marine...
My point was that very few game incorporate a system with both melee and ranged weapons as the primary weapons.
I would love to hear what other games do that in multiplayer.
After that, as i think i said before, what other game actually encourages camping (heavy bolter)?
As a final note, i didnt say it was a good game because its the first one, i said people need to be less critical and stop rating it down because it doesnt have content like multiplayer orks.

Game is great. Played through campaign on easy. Having a tough time with the horde on hard. Mostly, it's due to those dam shoota's. Multiplayer is extremely entertaining. But for an online shooter, it lacks the twitch reaction that I needed. The controls felt clumsy, and melee is annoyingly inaccurate. It seems like your character can only hit in four directions. It is fun to see the environment and architecture of an Imperial world though. When that warlord moved, it gave me goosebumps. Really hoping they put in more DLC. For both single and multiplayer. Campaign definitely felt too short. And the more tougher opponents are a repetitive fight. I had to kite those two chaos champions around the last area five times before they died. I'm looking forward to the co-op. and hopefully they improve some things in the multiplayer. Is it only me that finds it frustrating to be killed by frag grenades in 3 inch thick armor? And as an Astartes no less.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, very few games incorporate melee like space marine does, except Dynasty Warriors, Devil May Cry, God of War, Dante's Inferno, Bayonetta, etc. etc. etc. The jump pack is cool, but thats hardly enough to build a game on.

Not even close to the same degree, shooting in those games is a lame afterthought.

You can melee in every direction, but your melee direction is controlled by your movement, so if you are playing with kb/mouse, you are limited to 8 directions since WASD isn't exactly the most flexible for movement.

They're Astartes frag grenades, of course they hurt other Astartes.

Also, lol 3/10, what the hell is a good game in your opinion?

daedalus-templarius wrote:Also, lol 3/10, what the hell is a good game in your opinion?

Not to agree or disagree with others opinions, but may I propose that a fun game isn't necessarily a good game? I loved Too Human and played my game disc to its demise, but I'd never call Too Human a good game. In fact, its one of the most disappointing games I've ever played Still had a blast.

LordofHats wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:Also, lol 3/10, what the hell is a good game in your opinion?

Not to agree or disagree with others opinions, but may I propose that a fun game isn't necessarily a good game? I loved Too Human and played my game disc to its demise, but I'd never call Too Human a good game. In fact, its one of the most disappointing games I've ever played Still had a blast.

Ditto Just Cause 2. IMO one of the worst games ever made, still fun as hell.

daedalus-templarius wrote:
Also, lol 3/10, what the hell is a good game in your opinion?

well mate, I reserve 10/10 for the fantastic games, which I haven't seen yet.

Warcraft 3 was a 8/10, good multiplayer, and a powerful editor that allowed for a hoard of minigames, but a better system needs to be in place to control unsportsmanly behavior and unruly conduct.
Battlefield BC 2 is 7/10, good game play, plenty of game types, and I like the way the classes have to work together. Some of the maps are too big, and some of the sorely missing features are finally coming in BF3. The game has developed well over time, and customising your classes makes a substantial difference for how you interact with your team.
DOW 2 was an 8/10, but has slipped to a 6/10 because of the misguided need to add more races suffering from serious imbalance issues, but the last stand addition makes for great fun. It would be even better if the custom game side of it was better developed, incorporating a playable version of say, Space Hulk, or some other such thing.
Portal / Portal 2 8/10 Scads of fun! the incorporation of a multiplayer element was also good fun, trouble is, there simply are not enough puzzles for multiplayer(got stale real quick), and they could very easilly have offered a map editor for people to create their own challenges


Space Marine being a crappy hack-and-slash simulator is kinda boring. You could have done the exact same thing with a zombie game, and I refuse to accept that adding a hack-slash element magically makes up for all the other shortcomings. Compare space marine against anything else, and it just doesn't offer enough for me to stay loyal to this for very long. I'll keep playing it, I'll keep popping back to it, but it's going to have a hard time competing against other games. Anyone remember Ultramarine? A lot of excitement over that one, and most everyone now unanimously agrees it was a terrible movie.....

I happen to like hack and slash.

Well, I was going to detail why I wasn't going to buy the game after playing the demo, but I decided that i'd be pounced upon no matter my justification, so i'm just going to say I can't be arsed at the moment and leave it at that, because it's essentially a simplified version of a somewhat unnecessary diatribe.