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Brother Ramses wrote:The event was ran pretty flawless except for the incident with this kid. Eliminate what this kid did and has done, there is nothing wrong with the event at all. You are trying to misdirect the blame from the kid to the event, but here is what shuts down your argument,

No one else was using your percieved lack of WYSIWYG to cheat.

Everyone else at the tournament was not doing what this kid was doing. They were playing the game fair and from what I understand from talking with the TO, there was one rules dispute during the game he personally needed to make a call on, and this incident with the kid.

So the idea that this event and organizer encouraged this behavior is crap. This kid has done it before, been corrected and now has done it again. He is a cheater and needs a break from tournament play as a consequence.

That actually reinforces what i have just said.
One incident, the TO made a call and everyone got on with it. Even then it was a rules dispute which can be quite common at tournaments as the rules are only guidelines and as clearly stated in the rule book open to interpretation and expansion from the players.
(Page 3 of the WFB rulebook, bottom right hand corner and yes that applies for 40k also.)

Move on m8 as regardless of what happened at the tournament you were not good enough. Yes, maybe you were carrying an injury, maybe your favourite pokemon card got lost that morning, maybe you had a ladder in your tights. All those excuses are valid as to why you werent good enough on the day but one thing for sure is that some 13 year old kid (that everyone else says sucks anyway) was not the reason for your failure.

GBDarkAngel wrote:

Corrode wrote:

GBDarkAngel wrote:I will let you guys argue this one out as it seems Mannahnin and Brother Ramses are friends and posts are being edited or deleted if they dont suit the OP.

I will point out though that although i dont do it myself i would not object to an opponent swapping out weapons battle to battle, (not turn to turn though) as when an army goes to battle it does not just take the bare essentials, it takes what it needs for the job.
As long as the points are within the limit and he tells me what he has if its not WYSIWYG then i have no issues.

Happily your personal feelings don't matter at all because within the context of most tournaments changing your list from game to game is actually against the rules, hence the problem presented by the OP. On top of that the kid actually isn't within the points limit because he presents a legal list to an opponent and then uses upgrades which are not on it.

I'm getting the strong impression you're a casual player who doesn't participate in competitive games - that's fine, more power to you, I'm sure you're having fun. Just like how you probably wouldn't appreciate me telling you to optimise this and replace X because Y is strictly better, though, nobody wants to hear what you think is appropriate for tournament play when you don't participate yourself.

Yeh you are 100% correct. Well almost.
I have a couple of tournaments coming up. One this saturday and shifts allowing one at the start of October.
So i guess you really havent a clue what your on about.

As for rules.......
A wise man once said "Rules are for wise men to use as guidelines and fools to follow".
Not that hard to see where you fall in.

Cool, don't suppose one is Starsmash is it? Or Warrington?

I'm sure you feel super cool with the old RULES ARE GUIDELINEs thing but they're there for a reason and I'm sure nobody involved in the tournament as either an attendee or an organiser would appreciate you feeling like they don't apply to you because THEY'RE GUIDELINES, MAN. Mutually agreeing in a friendly game to change something? Fire away. Breaking the rules to your own advantage because IT'S ONLY A GUIDELINE? That makes you a gakker, sorry buddy.

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Maybe a mod should lock this thread.
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Also, this kind of behavior happens all the time and its not just 13 year old kids that do it. For example, look at Reggie Bush with the Heisman Trophy. He won it and had it taken back from him. The runner up did not win the trophy by default. Same with USC's National Title being vacated. The second place team does not become the champion after the fact. It sucks but you need to be a man about it and move on. If you can't, you're no better than the cheating 13 year old kid you're throwing internet stones at.

Kid cheats
Gets called
TO penalises him

Nope? I can't see the OP doing any of the things you suggest GBDA.

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove, you appear to just want to be pointlessly rude to the bloke.

I would dearly love to see what your response would be to such an individual as "the kid".

Corrode wrote:

GBDarkAngel wrote:

Corrode wrote:

GBDarkAngel wrote:I will let you guys argue this one out as it seems Mannahnin and Brother Ramses are friends and posts are being edited or deleted if they dont suit the OP.

I will point out though that although i dont do it myself i would not object to an opponent swapping out weapons battle to battle, (not turn to turn though) as when an army goes to battle it does not just take the bare essentials, it takes what it needs for the job.
As long as the points are within the limit and he tells me what he has if its not WYSIWYG then i have no issues.

Happily your personal feelings don't matter at all because within the context of most tournaments changing your list from game to game is actually against the rules, hence the problem presented by the OP. On top of that the kid actually isn't within the points limit because he presents a legal list to an opponent and then uses upgrades which are not on it.

I'm getting the strong impression you're a casual player who doesn't participate in competitive games - that's fine, more power to you, I'm sure you're having fun. Just like how you probably wouldn't appreciate me telling you to optimise this and replace X because Y is strictly better, though, nobody wants to hear what you think is appropriate for tournament play when you don't participate yourself.

Yeh you are 100% correct. Well almost.
I have a couple of tournaments coming up. One this saturday and shifts allowing one at the start of October.
So i guess you really havent a clue what your on about.

As for rules.......
A wise man once said "Rules are for wise men to use as guidelines and fools to follow".
Not that hard to see where you fall in.

Cool, don't suppose one is Starsmash is it? Or Warrington?

I'm sure you feel super cool with the old RULES ARE GUIDELINEs thing but they're there for a reason and I'm sure nobody involved in the tournament as either an attendee or an organiser would appreciate you feeling like they don't apply to you because THEY'RE GUIDELINES, MAN. Mutually agreeing in a friendly game to change something? Fire away. Breaking the rules to your own advantage because IT'S ONLY A GUIDELINE? That makes you a gakker, sorry buddy.

Its you thats the gakker moron.
fething read what i said and understand it before you try and twist it.
Every tournament you attend has their own rules that are adapted from the rule book or army books and that is where the "guidelines" part comes in as fine you knew it.

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