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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 01:12:26
Subject: Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Israel can beat every one of their neighbors in an open conflict simultaneously. They're playing the wounded child but they're the sole military superpower in the mideast (i guess other then us). They're in no danger except what they cause themselves to be in by killing off palestinians and bulldozing palestine. They don't deserve pity and they don't need it.
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Do you remember that time that thing happened?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 04:38:48
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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I was hoping a conversation that is critical of Israel in some ways didn't devolve into the critics being accused of anti-semitism.
It would seem I remain naive as always.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 04:43:22
Subject: Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Hauptmann
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Da Boss wrote:The palestinians aren't really all that popular in the region either, it must be said. From what I've read.
We should ask King Abdullah of Jordan's opinion, since it was the "Palestinians" who tried to pull a coup on his Father in 1970.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 11:31:33
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ouze wrote:I was hoping a conversation that is critical of Israel in some ways didn't devolve into the critics being accused of anti-semitism.
It would seem I remain naive as always.
On the positive, under a separate Palestinian state, Jews ist verbotten.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/plo-official-palestinians-israelis-must-be-totally-separated-1.384493
PLO official: Palestinians, Israelis must be totally separated
Commenting on the subject of minority rights in the potential Palestinian state, PLO envoy to the U.S. says past experience shows the two people should be 'totally separated.'
By Haaretz
Tags: Middle East peace Palestinian state
The future independent Palestinian state will not include a Jewish minority, a top Palestinian official told USA Today on Wednesday, adding that it was in the best interest of both peoples to "be separated."
Maen Areikat, PLO Ambassador to the United States, made the comment just as the Palestinian Authority, led by President Mahmoud Abbas, was preparing to offer up Palestinian statehood to a vote in the United Nations General Assembly later this month.
The West Bank settlement of Ariel
Photo by: AP
Answering a question about the legal status of a Jewish minority in the future state, Areikat apprently rejected the issue, saying: "I believe, I still believe that as a first step we need to be totally separated," adding "I think we can contemplate these issues in the future."
"After the experience of the last 44 years, of military occupation and all the conflict and friction, I think it will be in the best interest that the two peoples should be separated," Areikat added.
Former U.S. National Security Council official Elliot Abrams responded to the Palestinian official's comment, saying to USA Today that the Palestinian demand was "a despicable form of anti-Semitism," adding: "No civilized country would act this way."
The administration of U.S. President Barack Obama had been openly opposing the planned Palestinian statehood bid at the United Nations, arguing that a unilateral recognition of Palestinian independence would severely injure attempts at a comprehensive peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.
Speaking in an interview on Tuesday, Obama indicated that Washington did not feel "think that it would actually lead to the outcome that we want, which is a two-state solution."
Last week, the State Department said the U.S. would veto a resolution for Palestinian statehood in the council, but Obama had yet to comment directly on the matter.
"What we've said is that going to the UN is a distraction, does not solve the problem," he said. "This issue is only going to be resolved by Israelis and Palestinians agreeing to something."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 17:24:37
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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How is that positive? I seems like you are trying to use sarcasm but, not surprisingly, you are doing a poor job of it. If anything this backs up the arguments made that political groups use these issues as a wedge to maintain power. One can always find someone saying something pretty awful on either side of the argument. It seems that more often than , those who only want to see it as a religious issue have a vested interest in prolonging the conflict, not in finding a peaceful solution.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 17:31:24
Subject: Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
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Well we know two regimes that tried to insure separation of Jews: USSR and Nazi Germany.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 17:38:12
Subject: Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Frazzled wrote:Well we know two regimes that tried to insure separation of Jews: USSR and Nazi Germany.
They tried to insure the separation of a lot of groups.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 17:39:42
Subject: Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Frazzled wrote:Well we know two regimes that tried to insure separation of Jews: USSR and Nazi Germany.
Obviously my opinion would be biased, as I'm a Jewish IDF combat vet. But, I also support the exclusion of Jews from a Palestinian state. It's an incredibly unfortunate policy, but I do believe that it is the only course of action that legitimates Israel's equally unfortunate necessary precautionary measure: Israel has a population problem, and it isn't going away on its own. The creation of a Palestinian state, and the exclusion of Jews from that state, legitimates the exclusion of Arab Muslims from a Jewish state which is the only solution the Israel's population problem.
These views are considered very taboo in Israel, it is worth noting. The last politician to suggest this, Meir Kahane, was branded a terrorist and his party was abolished. Now you have an Arab saying the same thing. The Middle East is very funny at times...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/15 17:41:33
Subject: Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The Spanish, most of Europe, Egypt prior to Christianity, Greek city states and nations, Rome, parts of the Middle Age Islamic world at one time or another exhibited vary forms of anti-semitism, and in certain cases such as in Spain the entire population of Jewish people were expelled from the nation. Also, for the sake of sanity, the Israels need to leave the Palestinians alone as much as the latter group needs to.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 09:44:24
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Surely if Israel had stuck to or moves back to the borders agreed then it would have a better argument for defending itself? I mean the situation was bad enough in the first place, but if you start grabbing land then it's no wonder your neighbours will get hacked off with you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 15:14:19
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Wolfstan wrote:Surely if Israel had stuck to or moves back to the borders agreed then it would have a better argument for defending itself? I mean the situation was bad enough in the first place, but if you start grabbing land then it's no wonder your neighbours will get hacked off with you.
That's what I'm thinking. It's certainly a big part of the "Why everyone is pissed at them" pie.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 15:16:35
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Wolfstan wrote:Surely if Israel had stuck to or moves back to the borders agreed then it would have a better argument for defending itself? I mean the situation was bad enough in the first place, but if you start grabbing land then it's no wonder your neighbours will get hacked off with you.
What borders, what agreement?
There never was an agreement between all interested parties in dividing up the British Mandate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 15:16:38
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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metallifan wrote:Wolfstan wrote:Surely if Israel had stuck to or moves back to the borders agreed then it would have a better argument for defending itself? I mean the situation was bad enough in the first place, but if you start grabbing land then it's no wonder your neighbours will get hacked off with you.
That's what I'm thinking. It's certainly a big part of the "Why everyone is pissed at them" pie.
You mean the borders where they had already been attacked twice? Also the PLO was in existence before Israel took the Occupied Territories. It was started in 1946.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 16:24:51
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hey, I didn't say it was ideal, but constantly grabbing land won't help. No other country can get away with it. As already mentioned, there was no way Israel could of been created using the borders from the bible, too much time had gone by. Borders were agreed on an international level at the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/09/16 16:51:05
Subject: Re:Israel- Cornered and Alone?
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Wolfstan wrote:Hey, I didn't say it was ideal, but constantly grabbing land won't help. No other country can get away with it. As already mentioned, there was no way Israel could of been created using the borders from the bible, too much time had gone by. Borders were agreed on an international level at the time.
Most countries get away with it over history or they get beaten by their neighbors. Thats history pre Pax Americana. Israel is just being singled out.
With China starting to make claims on waters and natueral resources out to the Phillipines expect the old days to return in that regard.
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