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Sir Harry Flashman, VC wrote:Speaking of Necron rage, what's up with the Tomb Stalker rules? 10pts increase and still the same rules...

Most got a tweak. Its called "what everyone complains GW dont do" - the TS at sub 200 was too cheap.

Whats more annoying is the CHaos Contemptor doesnt get a slot....assuming Elite, to fit with current dreads and the marine standard one.

Edit: i know the idea they had for Retail - it makes some sense, however they need double the number of tills, at least.

HBMC - its NOT a trade show. Notice that they never ever ever call it that? Its a games day. Its a day to play games. As much as you (and me) want it to be about upcoming stuff - it isnt.

Yay.. Just what we need.

More Imperial stuff

The Eldar models were nice enough, but too few of them (and I don't even play Eldar ) I'd love a Tantalus though.


Oh and apparently some game with boats.. Come on, GW!

I was at the first FW seminar, which was really well done I think, Tony Cotteril showing off some pics of their recent and upcoming releases, and a few sneaks at whats next, followed by a Q&A session...

confirmed (from my limited memory):
After IA11 its Modelling Masterclass 2
IA12 is a penal planet job like previously mentioned in the thread
New contemptor weapons, some sort of power claw
Book of monsters for FW coming soon, kind of like storm of magic but just filled with Warhammer Forge monsters, looks lovely
"many more monsters to come"
and a mention of more "classic" (they're very reluctant to say pre-heresy) space marine vehicles


All in all GD was good, but the huge queues for everything, and the shambles of retail as others have said made it a very tiring day, I decided to leave around 3pm before the GD winners were announced to avoid queueing to leave to car park too!

But as others have said, if it wasn't for the FW and Warhammer Forge announcements and sneak peaks etc there would basically be no news as such.

It was my first Games Day since 2004, overall it was good fun, but needs better organising, and there was no real "wow" moment that I thought about afterwards for example, so a mixed bunch, but fun all the same to be surrounded by gaming, I'll probably still go next year.

I will be highly amused if Games Day Australia sees the Necrons announced.

Very poor showing.

GW needs to step its game up. FW models were okay... but a pretty lackluster showing overall. New Cadian models only slightly removes the urge to yawn and the fleet ship mini game is about as exciting as watching pro wrestling sober.

Events like this are a perfect oppurtunity to do something exciting for fans like unveil new sister models, necron announcements, something... ANYTHING!

At least the Tantalus looks good. About the only thing that remotely makes me care.

Added to that GW seem to have had a video black out for independent reporting and made their own videos to put out on Youtube

Kroothawk wrote:

1hadhq wrote:A necroshpinx/dreadknight?

Just in case this remark was too cryptic:
The model is a Necrosphinx/Dreadknight conversion as featured on a display on GDUK.
So no new model. And the BoW twitter account doesn't pretend it to be anything else.

The icon on the chest is a bit oldschool, takes me back to the first Necron releases.



Ooh look GW have their biggest trade show of the year in their home country, charge people £25 to come in and show off nothing of future releases. What's the fething point? Even Kan can only come up with "Dreadfleet is new" but they released that the other week.

GW is just weird. Surely you should reward people with something at your own tradeshow? It's what everyone expected though, deep down I mean. They wouldn't talk about Space Hulk at GD and then sneaked out an email release the following week. They frankly haven't got a clue, they crack me up. The best thing about GD is the limited edition figures and the competition and those will be online. They've disposed with the other reasons to but a ticket, which by the way have shot up in price sine I was young. Jeeze it used to be £6 to get entry to GD in the mid 90s and that was a lot compared to most model shows.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Very poor showing.

GW needs to step its game up. FW models were okay... but a pretty lackluster showing overall. New Cadian models only slightly removes the urge to yawn and the fleet ship mini game is about as exciting as watching pro wrestling sober.

Events like this are a perfect oppurtunity to do something exciting for fans like unveil new sister models, necron announcements, something... ANYTHING!

At least the Tantalus looks good. About the only thing that remotely makes me care.

That ticket must have been a waste of your money then.

There was a life size drop pod
They don't come cheap you know

Someone has to pay for it so it might as well be the fans

Glad to see FW pumping out the Contemptor weapons double quick - that thing is fast becoming the only Dreadnought chassis I want to field in my army...

A multi-melta is always a nice option!

I had lower than ground level expectations, so not "disappointed" as such. Glad I didn't attend though

So when are we going to see a book of monsters for 40k? How about stats for Catachan Devils?

...Dude ... we could have neutral monsters running around the table during the game ... it would be like tabletop Warcraft 3 ...

Great just all FW news and now GW haha -- what gives.. >.>

Kanluwen wrote:I will be highly amused if Games Day Australia sees the Necrons announced.

Considering how GW have treated Austrailia over the past couple of years it might be a nice 'We're sorry.'

When is GWOZ?

Howard A Treesong wrote:GW is just weird. Surely you should reward people with something at your own tradeshow?

They did reward people. Attendees were able to participate in all kinds of events on the floor, like model building, they had the opportunity to buy pre-release content (forgeworld, etc.), they could meet the designers, they could show off their armies to other hobbyists, they could compete to win a painting trophy, etc.

Games Day is not a trade show. It's a games convention.

Sin Eater wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I will be highly amused if Games Day Australia sees the Necrons announced.

Considering how GW have treated Austrailia over the past couple of years it might be a nice 'We're sorry.'

When is GWOZ?

I think within the next two weeks. Don't have the date off the top of my head.

Thanks for that!

If there was only someway to find this out... maybe some kind of crazy Internet searching thing...



Saturday, October 1 · 10:00am - 5:00pm
Australian Technology Park, Sydney

Woo! Tzeentch Chaos finally getting some Forgeworld love

I shall be very pleased indeed if the promised Tzeentch stuff includes Rubric Terminators - they've been 'on the way' for some years now, so it's good to know my patience may finally be rewarded.

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:GW is just weird. Surely you should reward people with something at your own tradeshow?

They did reward people. Attendees were able to participate in all kinds of events on the floor, like model building, they had the opportunity to buy pre-release content (forgeworld, etc.), they could meet the designers, they could show off their armies to other hobbyists, they could compete to win a painting trophy, etc.

Games Day is not a trade show. It's a games convention.

£28 quid for the privilige to participate in these "rewards"

I can see your finger is well on the pulse...

But he does make a good point, it's not a tradeshow. I didn't bother going as I knew there wouldn't be any revelations. Not sure why you expected any.

Semantics anyone?

Am not sure which is the greater, the sense of how underwhelming the event is given the amount of cash and effort required to attend; or the lengths to which some will go to justify their GW fixation.

People have turned up hoping to see new GW products and have been greeted with not a lot whether it is a Games Day or a Trade Show.
Poor effort by GW compared to last year by the sound of it.

I'm not arguing the point here but if Gamesday was solely meant to play games there would not be a Gamesday. They were selling their products,right? To all intents and purposes the reason for there being a Gamesday is to sell their product. ALL wargames shows/conventions whatever you call them ARE tradeshows. How would they make money if all they had were games to display? It is the norm for all traders to sell their stuff but also to garner interest for future lines. From what I've read GW failed. Why promote a game that is limited edition if it is already nearly(their words) sold out? It is strange that Forgeworld seem to have taken the lead when it comes to showing new upcoming lines.

It was alright i thought, In the UK they treat these trade shows as more of a get together more than anything else, they always have done.
I never expect anything great anyway.
And i still think that full scale drop pod is too small !!

Slipstream wrote:I'm not arguing the point here but if Gamesday was solely meant to play games there would not be a Gamesday. They were selling their products,right? To all intents and purposes the reason for there being a Gamesday is to sell their product. ALL wargames shows/conventions whatever you call them ARE tradeshows. How would they make money if all they had were games to display? It is the norm for all traders to sell their stuff but also to garner interest for future lines. From what I've read GW failed. Why promote a game that is limited edition if it is already nearly(their words) sold out? It is strange that Forgeworld seem to have taken the lead when it comes to showing new upcoming lines.

I just get more and more bemused by GW

The guy at the end of the Phil Kelly interview when asked if he had pre ordered Dread Fleet responded by saying no, he was going to order it when he got home

Could he not just order it at a show hosted by the manufacturer?
Hey kids play test this COOL game
You like?
Tough! You will never be able to get your grubby little mitts on it or ever see it again MWHAHAHAHA!

I was very disappointed with GD this year, the non existant queuing system causes chaos and anyone who wanted to spend 2 hours in the huddle got their rewards.

I went with a lot of money and wanting to spend it but I gave up after seeing the two queues going in 2 different directions and the massive huddle of people waiting about, I just gave up.

The guy at the WD booth even said sorry to me about it.

Why do you guys even bother?

Firstly, you didn't even pay to attend the convention. You are sitting on the internet complaining about something that you didn't even participate in.

Secondly, the common sentiment here seems to be that expectations of showcasing future releases weren't met by the event. This is what GW had to say about Games Day:

Games Day is first and foremost a celebration of the Games Workshop hobby; a day to meet up with old friends and shoot the breeze; a chance to bump into a few of the famous faces from the pages of White Dwarf; an opportunity to re-tell tales of past glories and join the fray upon the many fields of battle that await you.

Hobbyists travel from near and far in order to join the many people who help make Games Day & Golden Demon what it is. Each year's show features a multitude of participation games that you can dive into and take part in; from quick-play skirmishes to full-on grand battles. And all the miniatures are provided. All you have to do is turn up and play!

There's nothing about featuring coming releases in there. It's all about hobby activities. You are disappointed because something that was never promised was not delivered on.

You can call it a trade show and define that however you want, but it seems like it was pretty clear what was definitely going to be offered by the event.

Maybe next year you should put your money where your mouth is and just save the admissions fee...

It was their first year trialling a new system, and they fethed up. Im not sure even GW realise just how people will charge to get to the FW / BL stands, and how many sales they make. Theyve never had any stats on timings etc as it was a mostly cash business there.


Hopefully they'll simply double the number of tills- that would solve it. Theyre also constrained by the building; for security it has to be a controlled entry and exit, and that limits where they can put it.

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:There's nothing about featuring coming releases in there. It's all about hobby activities. You are disappointed because something that was never promised was not delivered on.

I don't think it's unreasonable for people to be disappointed when something that has been the norm (and the most highly anticipated part of the event in many circles) for as long as GD has been in existence is just dropped from the event.

They can write what they want in the marketing release, but unless they had specifically stated that they weren't going to be showing anything new, some people would have been going on the assumption that new stuff would be shown, because that's the way it's always worked before.

Aside from here in Oz, obviously.

Yo jo
Are you really serious
Why would I put my money where where my mouth is just to kiss Mammon's arse like a good fanbot?

Maybe next year GW could do something to convince us the event is worth attending, so for 2013 we may consider it worthwhile.