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Pacific wrote:To be honest I think the only people complaining about there not being new stuff, or any kind of grand roll out, are those who didn't attend some of the Games Days in the past.
Really, from the comments I have read, it looks like GW have spent the minimum amount of money and effort possible. Certainly, it looks like it has come down to FW and BL to prop up the event.

So I garnered very little in the way of concrete information throughout the day, staff were being a lot more tight lipped than expected regarding forth coming releases - all I got was the whole "we're working on a lot of things, keep an eye on WD" yadda yadda yadda. Interestingly, in the sermon thing that I attended, their head of studio said the secretive marketing strategy was just an experiment and if enough people didn't like it, they'd drop it. Needless to say that I put a written feedback slip over to the WNT guys, saying pretty much what everyone on Dakka has said - hobbyists budget for their purchases and if you let them know in advance of what they can get, you'll see happier customers and an increase in sales on launch day. Here's hoping that they'll listen, though obviously if you feel the same way, we'll all benefit from you writing in to tell them to stop being so bloody stupid.

This is interesting. It seems like that policy is for the most part unpopular, wonder if it might be worthwhile putting together some kind of standard letter for people to print off, sign and then send to GW? Interesting from Jes Goodwin's comments that GW is more aware of the likes of Dakka now and the internet in general, I wonder how much of that is the case with the suits at the top though?

Please do.

Sidstyler wrote:Last year we had Dark Eldar, this year...a couple of old Eldar/Cadian greens that'll never get released? lol...

Yup, showing players models that they'll never be able to buy is a surefire way of getting them excited about the completely unrelated models that they don't know you're releasing.

Or something.

I watched all the videos on the GW website, it all just kinda seemed Meh, but I am looking foreword to Dreadfleet when it releases.

One thing I did get a chuckle over, was the first video in the OP's link, when the host asks for a WAAAAH, there is one guy (standing in the front row to the left of the guy in the green shirt), who just shakes his head and says "NO"

If they want a proper WAAAAGGGH! they should release a bit more ork stuff.

IOM players are often too uptight to waagh....beneath their dignity or something like that.. Eldar too

The crowd/interviewees seemed a bit uninspired and bored to be honest, from their promo videos, not that they actually talked to the crowd much in the videos anyway ..

Ascalam wrote:If they want a proper WAAAAGGGH! they should release a bit more ork stuff.
..

IA8 man. Good to great book for Orks.

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:GW is just weird. Surely you should reward people with something at your own tradeshow?

They did reward people. Attendees were able to participate in all kinds of events on the floor, like model building, they had the opportunity to buy pre-release content (forgeworld, etc.), they could meet the designers, they could show off their armies to other hobbyists, they could compete to win a painting trophy, etc.

Games Day is not a trade show. It's a games convention.

Yeah. And at COMIC CONventions, people release previews to generate hype. They make ARGs. Flyers. Hand outs. AWESOME STUFF! You can spin this however you'd like: this is an opportunity for GW to talk about GW. For them to Face to Face with their fans. A time to make people excited about the hobby. Instead, it's another chance wasted. Imagine going to Comic Con or Dragon Con or Gen Con and no one had games to preview, upcoming comics to show off, or costuming to show off. What would you have? A reeking flea market full of pasty, basement dwelling hambeasts* buying the same books by the same artists telling the same stories. Monotony. Apathy. Death.

Wasted opportunity.

Games Day is a gaming convention the way White Dwarf is a hobby magazine. You can believe it, but believing doesn't just make it so.

I'm pretty disappointed to hear no news about 'Crons. And so are the lot of Grey Knights I just traded for a starter Necron army.

They mite be waiting to make some big release for the Australia games day. they should give them something big over their. Or they just dont any thing big going to happening any time soon.

They better be releasing crons soon, otherwise...

Otherwise we'll keep on waiting, fuming and tapping our fingers, like we have for the last decade

Let's face it, if you've played Necrons for more than a year of two, and haven't given them up, you're stubborn enough to keep hanging on

Ascalam wrote:Otherwise we'll keep on waiting, fuming and tapping our fingers, like we have for the last decade

Let's face it, if you've played Necrons for more than a year of two, and haven't given them up, you're stubborn enough to keep hanging on

True that. They'll release them when they release them, besides, it gives me more time to amass the warriors. Personally I'm amped for IA:12, sounds awesome.

army310 wrote:They mite be waiting to make some big release for the Australia games day.

You are joking, right?

Or did my sarcasm detector fail to activate on reading your post?

Australia gets one thing from GW... SHAFTED.

Padre^.

Padre wrote:

army310 wrote:They mite be waiting to make some big release for the Australia games day.

You are joking, right?

Or did my sarcasm detector fail to activate on reading your post?

Australia gets one thing from GW... SHAFTED.

Padre^.

No dude they mite try to do this one right by you guys.

They must have pulled out all stops for GWUK. We're not getting half the extra pre-releases if forgeworld is to be believed. Could have made a few bucks selling me Lietpold the Black next Saturday but I guess they're willing to save me the 15% for shipping - how considerate of them!

Theres a possibility, however low it may be, that this is true. And if it has anything to do with the crons, then I bloody hope so.

No dude they mite try to do this one right by you guys.

Sounds more like rubbing salt in the wound.

It would be very patronising and rather tactless imho so expect to see it happen

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

No dude they mite try to do this one right by you guys.

Sounds more like rubbing salt in the wound.

It would be very patronising and rather tactless imho so expect to see it happen

Ya you right they will tell you that you must pay 20% more at Games Day. Yup thats sounds right.

But to get on topic I love the FW stuff and Black Library Ipod things sound cool I mite some up when I get to Afghanistan.

Do the CIA do the psyche wars thing any more like blasting out stuff of speakers?

Just wondering how playing BL iPod at the Taliban would go down!

No it for me when I get some down time and want to forget were I am at again for the 3rd time. If you been you would know.

For sure, can understand that
Not on my places to go list right now for some reason!

Take care out there

My bad if came off as an a$$ and I will its not all bad.

Ascalam wrote:IOM players are often too uptight to waagh....beneath their dignity or something like that.. Eldar too

I think it's less to do with being "uptight" and more to do with not being 12 years old like GW seems to think. Playing the game is bad enough, I'd rather not start acting like the stereotypical fat, odorous manchild on top of that.

Back on topic, I was super disappointed that there were no New'crons -- but where are the painted FW models? I was hoping to see more than one painted Chaos Dwarf.

Too busy playing on their MOUNTAINS OF MONEY to do any painting I'd assume.

Might be that the painted Chaos Dwarfs went to Australia while the Eldar stuff went to the UK.

Lol, not surprising, some of their stuff is OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive. Lets hope that there will be a cron release at GD Aus.

Sidstyler wrote:
I think it's less to do with being "uptight" and more to do with not being 12 years old like GW seems to think. Playing the game is bad enough, I'd rather not start acting like the stereotypical fat, odorous manchild on top of that.

SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Spot on. +1 Sir.

Nice stuff...!

MajorTom11 wrote:Games Day may not be a trade show, but our expectations were/are based on decades of precedent! 10 years ago, hell, even 2-3 years ago, GW would have def shown new army/upcoming codex material. That is how they used to roll.

So, I politely object to the idea that there is no reason we should have expected something a bit more substantial today...

.. Quite.

In fact the thing that enraged me during the event itself was a poster in the "GW in the old days"/something like that were they show off old models, books and the like. This included this year posters featuring a potted history of the GD event, when they'd moved from venue A to Venue B, first year they held Golden Demon, that sort of thing.

One could not help but note how proud they were, seemingly, over the fact that on the year that Space Hulk was first released they brought 400 early bird/pre release copies which sold out in an hour.

... this year you could see the forthcoming Dreadfleet, for which pre orders ended on 25.9.11. So you could see the game -- and it does look great and seems to play quite slickly too. Given the scenarios and the way the cards influence play I think it's got more replay value than many, self included, first thought -- knowing full well that as you did so your chance to pre-order was disappearing second by second as you did so.

Baffling, genuinely baffling.

The retail "mall" was indeed as bad as some have said. One fellow I travelled with spent around 3 hours stuck in lines trying to buy and then pay for things. I made one early swoop for some BL books, looked at the FW stand which was starting to resemble a shield wall re-enactment or scene from 300 ( ..well if the Spartans were considerably less buff, more hairy and sweaty and had even less fashion sense than they were portrayed as having perhaps) and kissed goodbye to any thoughts of even getting the IA book I wanted.

Went back a few times during the rest of the day and it seemed there was a good 30 minute wait to get into the retail area ... hmm..
The staff working in the section were great and unfailingly polite even when some of the people ..well... I can understand people getting annoyed but throwing your purchases at the staff ... yeah

Lots of the participation games/tables were really good, especially the beautiful Tzeentch vs Nurgle daemons game , and the patience and manners of the staff on those fills me with admiration. The hyped Tau vs Space Wolf battle didn't quite live up to the hype, partially due to staff illness I gather and.. well.. it was a nice idea but the practicalities of actually playing on the table didn't seem to have been thought through as well as it might have. Still kudos to the staff there who kept things motoring along, even when the child, frustrated by the performance of his Fire Warriors decided to headbutt the display knocking a chunk out of it and, seemingly himself.

Karma is very fast these days.

The highlights were indeed FW and BL and I'll have to throw FFG in their too. Picked up Black Crusade and a GM kit pretty much as soon as I walked through the door, Which was a nice treat for myself.

.. might be time to look at some Dakka Dakka d10 next time perhaps...

Great to say hello/get things signed by the BL authors. Especially pleased for Mamzel Cawkwell who seemed delighted as people lined up to get her book signed.

I'm sorry I didn't have a beard

Messrs. Swallow, Kyme, Wraight, King and Thorpe were all sound as too. And it was most interesting to chat once again to the likes of Messrs Dunn and Mazel Pritchard-Law. The free cake was great as was the pitching wall too.

..well, let's hope so anyway.

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:Why do you guys even bother?

Firstly, you didn't even pay to attend the convention. You are sitting on the internet complaining about something that you didn't even participate in.

Secondly, the common sentiment here seems to be that expectations of showcasing future releases weren't met by the event. This is what GW had to say about Games Day:

Games Day is first and foremost a celebration of the Games Workshop hobby; a day to meet up with old friends and shoot the breeze; a chance to bump into a few of the famous faces from the pages of White Dwarf; an opportunity to re-tell tales of past glories and join the fray upon the many fields of battle that await you.

Hobbyists travel from near and far in order to join the many people who help make Games Day & Golden Demon what it is. Each year's show features a multitude of participation games that you can dive into and take part in; from quick-play skirmishes to full-on grand battles. And all the miniatures are provided. All you have to do is turn up and play!

There's nothing about featuring coming releases in there. It's all about hobby activities. You are disappointed because something that was never promised was not delivered on.

You can call it a trade show and define that however you want, but it seems like it was pretty clear what was definitely going to be offered by the event.

Maybe next year you should put your money where your mouth is and just save the admissions fee...

hear hear +1
you sir hit the nail straight on