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helgrenze wrote:
Simple explaination is: they sign a recording contract and become "product", that is they are made to look and perform the way the record company wants them to be.

So, essentially, you missed my point. Any band is a product of at least its members, and I'm not sure why involving record companies somehow makes the band more of a product than it already was.

Its almost as if you believe that people don't create, or produce, their own image, personas, music etc.

He's not a bad singer, he just needs a better person to write the songs...

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Justin Bieber is just crap and has rather conservative ideals for a kid of his age raised in a highly liberal environment

What's wrong with conservatives, I mean I consider myself Liberal but there have been some well known conservatives that did some great things like Winston Churchill.

The thing that puzzles me about Justin Bieber is that I've heard one of his songs, maybe three or four times. It wasn't any good but that's not the point.

Britney Spears used to be the big thing. I could not escape hearing a song of hers every single day of my life for like five years. It'd be on the radio at work, it'd be on the car on the way home (least it would be for 10 seconds before I changed the station), and if I watched music videos it wouldn't be ten minutes before one of her videos appeared (that wasn't so bad). Without ever trying to listen to one of her songs (alright maybe I channel surfed to find some of the videos once or twice...) I'm pretty sure I know the words to about a dozen of her songs.

Same for every big pop act, going back to when I first started paying attention to music. Some of them I kind of liked, some of them were completely horrible, but either way I heard a crapload of their music. There's some song on the radio right now about a girl 'dirty dancing in the moonlight'. I don't even know who the feth sings that and I cannot escape it, and will likely hear it another five times today. Before the week is up I think I will probably know every word to that deeply stupid song, and she's not even famous enough for me to know who she is.

But I've only ever heard one Justin Bieber song. He's this massive tween idol, loved by 13 year old girls and hated by 15 year old boys, but he seems to have achieved this without actually getting played on the radio, or getting his music videos into rotation.

It's a pretty weird thing.

sebster wrote:The thing that puzzles me about Justin Bieber is that I've heard one of his songs, maybe three or four times. It wasn't any good but that's not the point.

Britney Spears used to be the big thing. I could not escape hearing a song of hers every single day of my life for like five years. It'd be on the radio at work, it'd be on the car on the way home (least it would be for 10 seconds before I changed the station), and if I watched music videos it wouldn't be ten minutes before one of her videos appeared (that wasn't so bad). Without ever trying to listen to one of her songs (alright maybe I channel surfed to find some of the videos once or twice...) I'm pretty sure I know the words to about a dozen of her songs.

Same for every big pop act, going back to when I first started paying attention to music. Some of them I kind of liked, some of them were completely horrible, but either way I heard a crapload of their music. There's some song on the radio right now about a girl 'dirty dancing in the moonlight'. I don't even know who the feth sings that and I cannot escape it, and will likely hear it another five times today. Before the week is up I think I will probably know every word to that deeply stupid song, and she's not even famous enough for me to know who she is.

But I've only ever heard one Justin Bieber song. He's this massive tween idol, loved by 13 year old girls and hated by 15 year old boys, but he seems to have achieved this without actually getting played on the radio, or getting his music videos into rotation.

It's a pretty weird thing.

Heh, He's the Sex Pistols of the tiny bopper world..

sebster wrote:
But I've only ever heard one Justin Bieber song. He's this massive tween idol, loved by 13 year old girls and hated by 15 year old boys, but he seems to have achieved this without actually getting played on the radio, or getting his music videos into rotation.

It's a pretty weird thing.

If I remember correctly, he first launched his career on Youtube and iTunes, with very little radio play.

Cheesecat wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

Justin Bieber is just crap and has rather conservative ideals for a kid of his age raised in a highly liberal environment

What's wrong with conservatives, I mean I consider myself Liberal but there have been some well known conservatives that did some great things like Winston Churchill.

There are a lot good conservatives out there but Justin Bieber is one of those bad ones; He is against gay marriage and abortion

Never in my life did I think that people would cite his political views as a reason to dislike Bieber.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

It's not that he's BAD*. Auto-tune makes sure that's practically impossible nowadays anyway. It's just that he's so impossibly SAFE. I feel like he should be dispensed in a small paper cup with a glass of water. He's the Ultramarines of the pop music world. I'm honestly surprised that there's a market for something that's not spewing sex, violence, and inequity all over the speakers, and I gotta give him credit for that, but by the same token, he's bland. Everything I just listened to seemed to either be about "holding hands with a girl and thinking safe thoughts" or "engaging in events with friends as a model member of youth society". There's no substance; no spark. And then the other part of me sees him and knows that the moment he stops being 'cute' is going to come along any moment, and he's going to get dropped hard. Remember what happened to Macaulay Culkin when he stopped being cute? No, I don't either. It's not gonna be pretty on the kid though. And you know, I don't think he's that different from Brittney Spears, Hanson, or whatever carbon copy of him shows up to replace him.

I guess what I'm just saying though is that overall, it's probably not the kind of thing I'd want my kids listening to. I'd be afraid it might be damaging for their imaginations. I mean, I grew up without the influence of pop music and I didn't turn out completely deranged. Certainly not serial killer deranged anyway.


* Totally not my thing. When I want to feel like an emotional little girl, I'll listen to something like Angels and Airwaves, thank you very much.

daedalus wrote:Remember what happened to Macaulay Culkin when he stopped being cute?

Well, on the plus side, at least that was the point that Michael Jackson stopped molesting him.

He's just the same as Aaron carter and what not. The pop flavor for a few years.

Monster Rain wrote:Never in my life did I think that people would cite his political views as a reason to dislike Bieber.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Ha!


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FITZZ wrote: Heh, He's the Sex Pistols of the tiny bopper world..

Heh, very true.


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dogma wrote:If I remember correctly, he first launched his career on Youtube and iTunes, with very little radio play.

I think he got noticed by Puff Daddy or someone like that from the stuff he put on youtube. I don't know how he managed to get heard by 10 year old girls though, if it was entirely internet or something else.


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daedalus wrote:It's not that he's BAD*. Auto-tune makes sure that's practically impossible nowadays anyway. It's just that he's so impossibly SAFE. I feel like he should be dispensed in a small paper cup with a glass of water. He's the Ultramarines of the pop music world. I'm honestly surprised that there's a market for something that's not spewing sex, violence, and inequity all over the speakers, and I gotta give him credit for that, but by the same token, he's bland. Everything I just listened to seemed to either be about "holding hands with a girl and thinking safe thoughts" or "engaging in events with friends as a model member of youth society". There's no substance; no spark.

He's there for girls who like to think about romance, but are afraid of sex. Being safe, and almost androgynous is a large part of the appeal. It's the same reason the same girls love Twilight.

Well, sort of. Apparently there's sex later in the Twilight series, and Twilight seems to have a number of fans that are much older. So maybe it doesn't explain Twilight at all. I guess what I'm saying is lets just all be grateful there's no Bieber Mums.

sebster wrote:
I think he got noticed by Puff Daddy or someone like that from the stuff he put on youtube. I don't know how he managed to get heard by 10 year old girls though, if it was entirely internet or something else.

Usher, by way of some agent. Really, its probably the best thing that could have happened to Bieber, because Usher has managed to parlay the same type of initial start into a very successful music career.

dogma wrote:Usher, by way of some agent. Really, its probably the best thing that could have happened to Bieber, because Usher has managed to parlay the same type of initial start into a very successful music career.

Ah yes, was too. And Usher does make sense, because really he's largely the same thing for late teens and early twenties (so more sex, but the music is about as bland).

That said, Usher has pretty impressive staying power. Dudes been around a long time now.