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Citizensmith wrote:"This disturbs me a little. Getting other people to post for him is poor form IMO"

Didn't occur to you that being banned makes it somewhat difficult to post personally.

And sock puppets? Really, you sad little people. I was working to keep things nice but whatever folks.

Plenty of people have tried to read him by email and by phone and can't get anything but the run around. RSO is not known for good/any communication. You can see that if you read the thread in the Market section here. Try typing Redstarone into google and you'll get threads from numerous other sites where people don't hear from him for months and struggle to get responses, get their orders shipped, get money back. Some never do. And that's the problem. Maybe you don't care.

As well as Dakka he's been kicked from Warseer, Bartertown and Rogue Market, you can see his suspended account on some of these sites. Why do you suppose that is? Is it really just Dakka drama for the lulz?

I can't quite get my head around why his mates have no interest in looking into this matter if they want to maintain an honest, clean website. All three do the same thing. Dismiss the trail if disaster left by Redstarone as internet trolling and bigotry, then go on the attack with insults and making fun of people who spend their lives gaming/making models. Which is bizarre for people that run a site making conversions, but oh well. One thing I do notice is how often redstarone goes on a foul mouthed attack over people having sad lives with their models, and talk of 'fat nerds'. And make threats about sorting it out with a fist fight.

Which is exactly what his defenders do here.

They are either hopelessly blinkered by him or are in on it. It's nice that through MWC that redstarone has made a costly conversion and donated it for some event. But how is it that he has the time and money to do that, and not sort out the string of people that have pretty much lost all hope of recovering the money and models that have disappeared with him?


Redstarone also said he was 'getting out of the business'. However, he is still doing some work for people because he's been active on BoLS as late as the end of August apparently handling a reaver titan commission for someone called nellis14
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=170&page=40
Although I don't see anything to indicate if it's been delivered yet, certainly nellis14 has not posted his happily received commission.



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LunaHound wrote:Well Tom whose going to start the compilation?

There's at least three threads on Bartertown where RSO has broken contact, some look like they were getting resolved but what the final outcome was isn't clear. I did find a charming thread on another forum which I if I was to copy and paste here would largely be lost to the dakka censor.
http://otzone.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=whine&action=display&thread=6696&page=5

As much legitimate evidence as has been collected on this person's shady activities including outright scams and theft (taking items and money for a commission and not coming through is theft, regardless of what his defenders will claim), it's surprising that no one has contacted his local police department. I assume since money and or items have been sent that someone has his address, and finding the local precinct should be easy from that.

Isn't about time the Swap Shop Mods just put a link in their signatures about this guy? Even an article?

Perhaps recommend the community to not use services associated with him.

http://www.galaxygobbo.com (which seems to be upgrading?) and Bits and Kits.

There are probably more. While it might seem in poor taste to boycott these businesses, I feel it's the only way to stamp out this leach.

Just to reiterate what Tom said, if we could avoid jumping all over the people who have posted in Miniature Wargame Conversions' defense, that would definitely help this thread: 1) Stay open 2) Not be an unfair trial by public opinion, or witch hunt.

Once again, this thread is about the Site and how it is being used... my whole case is that there is Not a distinction between the site and Matt. People are now referring to him as "Matt from Miniature Wargame Conversions". In my opinion, he emailed me, using 2 aliases, from the Miniature Wargame Conversions email address for months. He posted his conversions for sale there, under the name "Miniature Wargame Conversions" and listing the website's contact email address.

Therefore, the website is complicit in what he is doing... and the fact that there are other, genuine contributions to the website makes that fact all the more dangerous.

Let's stay on track, here, and not insult those who are defending the site any more than they should insult people here.

Medium of Death wrote:Isn't about time the Swap Shop Mods just put a link in their signatures about this guy? Even an article?

Perhaps recommend the community to not use services associated with him.

http://www.galaxygobbo.com (which seems to be upgrading?) and Bits and Kits.

There are probably more. While it might seem in poor taste to boycott these businesses, I feel it's the only way to stamp out this leach.

Gifts of Mork appears questionable to me as well, since it was started by a "fan" of RSO's Pay-it-Forward campaign.
http://giftsofmork.blogspot.com/

Medium of Death wrote:Isn't about time the Swap Shop Mods just put a link in their signatures about this guy? Even an article?

Perhaps recommend the community to not use services associated with him.

http://www.galaxygobbo.com (which seems to be upgrading?) and Bits and Kits.

There are probably more. While it might seem in poor taste to boycott these businesses, I feel it's the only way to stamp out this leach.

How are Bits and Kits involved? Are they a site he uses and links? Or does he have some sort of real connection to them?

I have had nothing but good dealings and positive resolutions from them.

Can you provide some evidence for the link?


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It seems Miniature Wargame Conversions are not linked from the BnK site, while Dakka, Warseer and other reputable wargame sites are.

I think he's saying, 'Here, use these sites whose owners aren't commonly considered the Wargaming Equal of the guy trying to sell tourists London Bridge or that Nigerian dude who'll send you £2 million if you just send him £5000 and your bank account.'

I know Bits and Kits has only one flaw so far - the good bits sell out too damned fast.

I'm saying that reputable companies do themselves an injustice by associating themselves with this nefarious individual.

Bits and Kits are on that site, and have offered prize support for that site in the past.

http://miniaturewargameconversions.blogspot.com/

-Loki- wrote:

infinite_array wrote:And another RSO supporter resorts to personal insults.

Yaaaaaay, consistency.

Got to agree. Seeing the only 'defense' as insults and internet toughguy impersonations, is pretty telling.

To be fair, calling someone a "sock-puppet" just because they are defending someone is pretty insulting in and of itself. YOU might as well call them sheep or sheeple. Seriously.
So, when they get pissy right back, it should not come as a surprise to anyone.

For those of you who defend Matthew... Well, my condolences. When the other shoe falls, I hope you manage to dodge it. The people who put their trust in him are the ones who have gotten ripped off over the years. The ones with the least horrible results are those who would not have lost anything if Matthew flaked on them. Keep that in mind.

As for the MWC site... I don't know any of you contributors. There are two people in the online gaming community whose endeavors I avoid like the plague. One of them is Matthew Bonder. The other is, well, I'll just say it's a friend of Matthew's. I feel financially safer for avoiding them, as both of them tend to see their "business" go to sh** not long after people start giving them a lot of money.


Eric

Medium of Death wrote:I'm saying that reputable companies do themselves an injustice by associating themselves with this nefarious individual.

Bits and Kits are on that site, and have offered prize support for that site in the past.

http://miniaturewargameconversions.blogspot.com/

So, he links to them, but they don't link to him?

A few questions must surely be asked:

When did they offer prize support?
Is that still ongoing?
What was the nature of the deal?
Do they know about these allegations?

BnK must have been sought profit from this, either in the original deal or through increased exposure.

I'm not ready to boycott them based on the current information.

Thanks RiTides

Its usually not a bad idea to boycott any business or person who openly associate with somebody like Matt. If we as consumers, can drive them away from the bad seeds in the hobby, we can make the hobby better for everyone. People like Matt continue to survive and do what they are doing for so long, because there are those out there who they have not hurt yet, and are willing to associate with them. If the community makes it painful to anyone to associate with known scammers, those scammers with more quickly wither away and be erased from the community. A company like Bits and Kits could be completely on the up and up, and offer great services, but if they link to or support somebody like Matt in any way, they should be made to pay the consequences, until they spearate themselves from him. The same goes for any other entity that is associated with him.

Even Rogue-Market has banned RSO. That really tells you something about this guy!

Didn't he claim to be one of the owners of Rogue Market?

Howard A Treesong wrote:Didn't he claim to be one of the owners of Rogue Market?

I've never heard that.
He was staff at one time, even for a long time after these accusations started flying. Justin defended him until he finally could defend him no more. Eventually, as the story goes, the other staff revolted & Justin had no other choice (hearsay). Allegedly, Justin tried to bring him back on under a different ID, but they caught on to that, too (hearsay).
Since then, to the best of my knowledge, their associations have been personal, with the only "business" association being Galaxy Gobbo's support for Matthew's site.

Disclaimer: Any time anything weird or seemingly 'wrong' happens with Justin or Matthew, I get a LOT of PM's here and on Bartertown because their respective histories on that site is well known, as is my position as an Admin there. Some of these PM's come from people I KNOW have the inside scoop and some come from people I trust implicitly. I do nothing to investigate these stories, however, because I have better things to do with my time. : ) Everything reported above, however, has been reported to me at one time or another. I have fabricated none on my own, nor have I investigated any.

I would be surprised to hear from anyone with an inside scoop that Matthew ever claimed to be an owner of Rogue Market, though. Even his fantasies seem to have some shred of basis in reality.
Eric

I was probably mistaken, confusing Admin with owner. I knew he was more than a regular member of Rogue Market.


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MagickalMemories wrote:I've never heard that.
He was staff at one time, even for a long time after these accusations started flying. Justin defended him until he finally could defend him no more. Eventually, as the story goes, the other staff revolted & Justin had no other choice (hearsay). Allegedly, Justin tried to bring him back on under a different ID, but they caught on to that, too (hearsay).
Since then, to the best of my knowledge, their associations have been personal, with the only "business" association being Galaxy Gobbo's support for Matthew's site.

Eeehh he doesn't look so clean either looking at a few threads.
http://www.bartertown.com/trading/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=86791

Ooh, that's you! I won't post the blackmail thread but that was a mind boggler too.

Isn't it fascinating what the underbelly of this hobby turns up? Well now I know why Galaxy Gobbo would be advertised on MWC, that and he's contributing to the site and pushing stuff to sell.

So while it seems that any pages viewable where redstarone is selling stuff are gone, his friend with a chequered past is pushing sales through MWC from the Galaxy Gobbo site. With the claim that you'll get "exclusive deals on here that you wouldn't even find on our own site".

There ain't a barge pole long enough.



Back to WMO - At Heresy Online one user "Azkaellon" alleges that "Most recently he has been shown to 'GIVE AWAY' several high dollar models which he owed to past commissioners including at least one thunderhawk and one titan."
http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/archive/index.php?t-130.html

There ain't a barge pole long enough.

Which is why long range missles were invented.

Thank you Rtides for the warning. I'm glad for the warning about RSO and his associations with MWC and Galaxy Gobbo.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

This is important question.

When did Justin fire him off staff of Rogue Trader?
when was MWC created? ( if not created by Matt, when did Matt join )

( i need specific date )

TESLA wrote:
Redstar has been banned. He is not on the site and he is removed. Jason (Inquisitor Lewis) has been number two running the site.

From the RM chat room.

@Lunahound: RSO lef around on RM aproximately June 2010? Summer 2010. Around there to my knowledge.

Galaxy Gobbo has not pushed any deals on MWC. Redstarone is not on Rogue-market.com and has been long removed and is not on our site in any way. Redstarone is not involved with GG either.

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Because my personal name has brought up time to time again and that this thread has potential to be hyperlinked in the future.. going to reiterate a few points that i've said over maybe 10x+ times on Dakka and all other place. This is only serves as a placeholder statement for myself and for future cases.

I admit and take responsibility to my past except the 'scamming' part. Scammers hit and run and hide in the shadows. I've never had. Even then many times over that IF the factual claim against me is that I'm a scammer as painted - I've provided the chance in the past where I've stated again and again... that I'm here. I'd refund or resolve any issue.

In the past when I was young(er) - I got angry, was immature, and troll'd Bartertown.

I feel financially safer for avoiding them, as both of them tend to see their "business" go to sh** not long after people start giving them a lot of money.

I am openly involved with both GG and RM. Both websites still exists to this day and they are not dead. Some projects within these site however HAVE failed. Yes. But some have succeeded. RM is climbing to 5k members.

I've not dealt business with wargaming for quite a while now- and with good reason. I have ADHD, and not until the past year or so have been diagnosed and treated. I am also an entrepreneur at heart -- so you have seen me create different startups some being successful, and some not. That's how it is. I've had many 'ideas' that came to me and I've experimented and acquired knowledge on what works and what doesn't.

Online wargaming sales is a low margin, high volume business. Takes effort and responsibility to execute & upkeep constantly. Something admittedly that isn't my forte at all (many of you would highly agree). That kind of labor is something I'm just really not good at. I'm a thinker, and a developer. When I ran my past businesses I started at the young age of 15 where I began selling a high volume amount of wargaming items and have continued since. (I'm 21 now). Many of my past decisions may have been poor, and in retrospect I could have done MANY things better which would have made not even have my name brought up here in the first place.

But that's life isn't it. Live and learn.

As an entrepreneur I've cut my losses and moved onto different non-wargaming industry something that is high-margin low volume (Automotive & Real Estate) that has been more within my interests and it has been to this date very successful.

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Galaxy Gobbo was not a crash either. It hit a roadbump which it responsibly both cease future orders AND resolved all issues. The GG thread might not be updated - but all the people who've had issues have been either refunded, provided their items or fixed (you can confirm).

It did hit a roadbump because:
1. The massive amount of orders.
2. GW use to ship new releases a week or so early. They started to put a stamp on it around the same time GG was pushing its Grey knights deals.

Example: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/406981.page

This caused the order errors you may see on our past GG posts on people asking about product. GG got the GK shipment delayed.

3. GG received its supply from a indirect non-gw local source which ceased due to its inability to fully fulfill its requests and has since

The reason why GG is stalled at the moment is because the fallout on a monetary investment needed to help GG transition from its Groupon standpoint to a FLGS.
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I think that as a consumer you have the power to put the dollars where you want and how you want. If you don't want to ever do business with me - that is fine. I just ask you keep O/T.

-Justin

RogueMarket wrote:Galaxy Gobbo has not pushed any deals on MWC. Redstarone is not on Rogue-market.com and has been long removed and is not on our site in any way. Redstarone is not involved with GG either.

But this is you from GG offering the possibility of exclusive deals through MWC right?

http://miniaturewargameconversions.blogspot.com/2011/04/gobbo-has-landed.html

Justin, as the owner of Rogue Market, Matt was your staff which was fired. Would you agree with the accusations presented against him ( despite his friends not believing it? )

That post was posted and reblogged on over 10+ locations on many blogs and websites en masse.
The only true exclusive deal we have offered was on DakkaDakka itself. Maybe Lost Hemisphere.

It was part of the generic ad-copy with the verbage for building hype to each localized reader/website.

It was part of the mass promotions in which we amassed over 700 subscribers within a few weeks.

Though not all GG postings have been made by me personally either however GG is not solely ran by me nor owned.



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LunaHound wrote:Justin, as the owner of Rogue Market, Matt was your staff which was fired. Would you agree with the accusations presented against him ( despite his friends not believing it? )

Matt had a personal disagreement issue with JasonLewis and Doctrin (another admin) in which flaming, personal attacks and name calling.
Matt was banned by another admin and eventually had his account deleted.
I was not online at that time of disagreement - and when I got online I didn't know why and reinstated his account and attempted to resolve the personal issue.
JL, Doctrin and company got upset. I attempted to communicate along to try to have a mutual settlement of personall issues.

RSO gave up and left after had trained all the staff who disagreed with him and his account was cancelled.

I banned Doctrin around the same time of this event. He actually scammed me and large part of the RM community.
He was an admin who ran a large 'trade swap' enterprise and road off of the success of RM. He owed me a couple hundred dollars and owed other individuals items.
Because he was an admin he had friends within staff he took some staff and made his own site.

That site is now dead - and he owes the people whom he worked with on that site money.
Doctrin disappeared.

RSO did not scam on RM. I can't speak for any accusations against on Matt because what he does is his personal business.
I have not in the past have any fallout dealing with Matt.

The current people running RM:
Me, JL, Calypsius, and Zindras.

For the record.

I was asked by Justin a few weeks ago to come back to RM as an admin, to which I agreed. RM was the first site that I ever visited, and will always hold a special place to me.

That all being said, I have since withdrawn from RM staff. There is no reason for this other than I need to stay focused on my growing business. I just don't have time to admin a site anymore.

FWIW, Justin, had I know you'd end up getting slammed, I'd have left you out of it.
My intent was to show a timeline of RSO's... junk... Wasn't trying to implicate you.

(Sorry for the slight OT here, but I think it's important enough to say, and it's applicable because of the tangent we've run on. Hopefully, this will end any "Justin Wu" tangent in this thread)

I don't speak for Bartertown here, only myself:
Justin and I don't get along. I never intend to. In the past, he has made some horrendous mistakes. I think he'd agree that some were downright stupid. On a few occasions, he did have some trade indiscretions. To the best of my knowledge, he made good on every one of them with, at worst, a methodology of someone who was not as concerned about the trade as he should have been.

While scamming accusations have been made in the past, they were always made while he still owed something to someone. AFAIK, he ALWAYS made good on his trades.

There are no open BTR's on Bartertown on him, and his ban there has to do with other indiscretions/issues. Not trades.
I have no reason to disbelieve what he says above.

/OT

Eric

Interesting, to the above post.

So is he a scammer or not?

IdentifyZero wrote:Interesting, to the above post.

So is he a scammer or not?

The above post seems to be addressing Justin / aka RogueTrader

the scammer is Matt aka RedStarOne

LunaHound wrote:

IdentifyZero wrote:Interesting, to the above post.

So is he a scammer or not?

The above post seems to be addressing Justin / aka RogueTrader

the scammer is Matt aka RedStarOne

Ok, I've been getting the two confused. Seems like an entire web of guilt through association at this point almost. xD My apologies, seems they've both had multiple threads up on other sites.

I'd just like to clarify here for those not intricately involved in the wargaming trading history of the internet, that there have, in the past been issues between RogueMarket/Justin Wu, and Bartertown (who MagickalMemories is a prominent figure at). However, to the best of my knowledge (reinforced by the posts of both above), all such issues are long in the past, and resolved.

The current topic of discussion is the website Miniature Wargaming Conversions, and by extension, the way it seems to have been used by a particularly notorious individual (Matt Bonder/redstarone). Keep it on topic people. No need to draw in names of the unrelated.