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I don't see why porn stars should be ashamed. Are you ashamed that you have sex?

Easy E wrote:Hey, only tangentally realted....

Here is something I don't understand.

To pay someone to have sex with you is illegal.

I can pay two people to have sex with each other, film it, and then sell the film, and it is legal.

Can someone explain to me why that makes sense?

The explanation is that one is speech and one isn't. It's a shaaaky argument though and is only a few decades old. I fully expect both to be legal at some point in the future, though for different reasons.


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Ahtman wrote:

Easy E wrote:Hey, only tangentally realted....

Here is something I don't understand.

To pay someone to have sex with you is illegal.

I can pay two people to have sex with each other, film it, and then sell the film, and it is legal.

Can someone explain to me why that makes sense?

I pointed that out earlier, and was called a sexist for it.

No you didn't. You called sasha grey a prostitute and claimed that you were making a cutting remark about society after confronted. Not only do I not think for a second that's what you meant, if you HAD meant that, you made your point HORRIBLY.

Ahtman wrote:I pointed that out earlier, and was called a sexist for it.

I'd say "sexy".

Sasha Grey doesn't do it for me, alas. I don't find that kind of, shall we say, "undercarriage destruction" to be sexy in the least.

I have to say that Ahtman has pretty much outlined my thoughts on the matter.


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Rented Tritium wrote:No you didn't. You called sasha grey a prostitute and claimed that you were making a cutting remark about society after confronted. Not only do I not think for a second that's what you meant, if you HAD meant that, you made your point HORRIBLY.

She gets paid to have sex. It's not that much of a leap.

Right, yes. Calling someone a prostitute in the middle of a post is totally just you making a point about people.

Suuuure.

In short, recording/distribution of porn is one of its essential characteristics and is a form of expression protected by the First Amendment. Prostitution entails no protected expression.

Castiel wrote:I don't see why porn stars should be ashamed. Are you ashamed that you have sex?

Heh.

Depends who it was with and the specifics of what happened.

Castiel wrote:I don't see why porn stars should be ashamed. Are you ashamed that you have sex?

Depends how good i was...

Manchu wrote:In short, recording/distribution of porn is one of its essential characteristics and is a form of expression protected by the First Amendment. Prostitution entails no protected expression.

Just because it's legal or illegal has no bearing on what is right or wrong.

#occupythepornindustry

Um okay?

I actually feel the same way. If it ACTUALLY HAPPENED I might be irrationally freaked out by it.

But that's illogical. I'd have to get over it.

Exactly.
Social brainwashing makes for great illogical behavior.

O.k so she has tought people in my village that missionary isn't the 'only' way, and she can read! and she's friendly! what's so bad with her? at least she's not preaching hatred on a bus!

According to some she simply must be ashamed and have people see her as a lower form of human being over her previous choice of profession.

Maybe they are right but then maybe she chose to do what she did for whatever reason (good money? someone on a documentary said she had 800k saved from that, not bad for a 20-something year old)
and isnt ashamed or doesnt feel like being a less valuable human.

Manchu wrote:In short, recording/distribution of porn is one of its essential characteristics and is a form of expression protected by the First Amendment. Prostitution entails no protected expression.

Yep.

And while sex in private itself is protected since it's just 2 people communicating (or even freely assembling ), the exchange of money does allow for the states to control it as commerce.

I expect it'll end up legal not because of a ruling, but because states just slowly unban it over the next century.

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:I don't see why porn stars should be ashamed. Are you ashamed that you have sex?

Depends how good i was...

I saw these responses coming!

Monster Rain wrote:

Manchu wrote:In short, recording/distribution of porn is one of its essential characteristics and is a form of expression protected by the First Amendment. Prostitution entails no protected expression.

Just because it's legal or illegal has no bearing on what is right or wrong.

#occupythepornindustry

It makes me pitch a tent.

Must be speech.

Um okay?

What´s so hard to understand?
After all it was perfectly legal in nazi germany to gas jews but that sure as hell didnt make it ok or moral now did it?

God damn, I just brought up Godwins law into this mess, oh well.

Reality-style porn really takes the piss out of the stilted argument that people in porn are only pretending to have sex.

Pyriel- wrote:

I actually feel the same way. If it ACTUALLY HAPPENED I might be irrationally freaked out by it.

But that's illogical. I'd have to get over it.

Exactly.
Social brainwashing makes for great illogical behavior.

O.k so she has tought people in my village that missionary isn't the 'only' way, and she can read! and she's friendly! what's so bad with her? at least she's not preaching hatred on a bus!

According to some she simply must be ashamed and have people see her as a lower form of human being over her previous choice of profession.

Maybe they are right but then maybe she chose to do what she did for whatever reason (good money? someone on a documentary said she had 800k saved from that, not bad for a 20-something year old)
and isnt ashamed or doesnt feel like being a less valuable human.

Yeah, that's the bottom line. People think that SHE should feel a certain way because OTHER PEOPLE think something.

Let's think about that.

People say that a human being should feel a certain emotion not because they want to , but because OTHER PEOPLE have a certain opinion.

That is the very definition of a loss of agency and that sentiment is at the absolute core of sexism.

Pyriel- wrote:

Um okay?

What´s so hard to understand?

Why someone would respond to a legal argument with a statement about morality. Morality was in no way implicated by my statement. It's like me responding to your post by posting "Flamingo delta seventeen by forty sandwiches for Tuesday."

Manchu wrote:Reality-style porn really takes the piss out of the stilted argument that people in porn are only pretending to have sex.

You know those are 100% scripted, right?

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:I don't see why porn stars should be ashamed. Are you ashamed that you have sex?

Depends how good i was...

I saw these responses coming!

I could make another joke here but frankly it's too easy...

Rented Tritium wrote:

Manchu wrote:Reality-style porn really takes the piss out of the stilted argument that people in porn are only pretending to have sex.

You know those are 100% scripted, right?

I'm talking about camshows more than "My First Audition" &etc.

People always tell you to do what you enjoy for a living, you know:
If you enjoy science, be a scientist.
If you enhoy music, be a musician.
etc.

So why if you enjoy sex shouldn't you be a porn star?

just some food for thought!

Manchu wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:

Um okay?

What´s so hard to understand?

Why someone would respond to a legal argument with a statement about morality. Morality was in no way implicated by my statement. It's like me responding to your post by posting "Flamingo delta seventeen by forty sandwiches for Tuesday."

Morality was definitely part of the context of this thread though.

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Castiel wrote:I don't see why porn stars should be ashamed. Are you ashamed that you have sex?

Depends how good i was...

I saw these responses coming!

I could make another joke here but frankly it's too easy...

So is she.

Rented Tritium wrote:No you didn't.

Actually I did, the reason I know that is becuase I was there, I can check the record, and in the following sentence you ever refer to the posts which did that, meaning even you know I did.

Rented Tritium wrote:You called sasha grey a prostitute and claimed that you were making a cutting remark about society

I claimed it becuase that is what I did. It is there for all to see and you seem to be the only one that doesn't see that.

Rented Tritium wrote:after confronted.

Confronted isn't really the right word. It implies more conflict than was present. I think you choose it becuase it makes you feel like your standing up to a bully, when at best I was chastised for not being as explicit as i should have been.

Rented Tritium wrote:Not only do I not think for a second that's what you meant

And again you are making things up and being myopic. It doesn;t matter what is said or done, you think you know what people mean, so what they actually say or do is irrelevant.

Rented Tritium wrote:if you HAD meant that, you made your point HORRIBLY.

I don't think I made it "HORRIBLY", but I agree that I was a bit obtuse initially, which is I why I clarified the point.

@MR: Decepticon verbiage smiling for the Mott's Applesauce because Sasha Grey fomented with carnivorous.

I mean, the sentence has Sasha Grey in it ...

I'm just messing with you. It seemed like you were implying that I thought a stilted legal argument had some bearing on morality and that kind of seemed out of nowhere to me.

i) Who's sasha grey/gray and ii) what's wrong with reading books?

ED: NVM read the article and now I'm curious!

Oh, I didn't think there was any actual rancor going on there Femnaw.

Honestly, the post you responded to originally was in no way intended to be taken seriously.

@Phototoxin:

Sasha Gray was a pron star who has tried to mainstream it with a role in Entourage and a movie called the Girlfirend Experience. She was famous for brutal anal scenes and blunt dirty talk.

There's nothing wrong with reading books.

Phototoxin wrote:i) Who's sasha grey/gray and ii) what's wrong with reading books?

Sasha grey is a dirty dirty pornstar who should be ashamed and should not show her face in public.

She's reading books in a secret pornstar way that makes the kids have sex. It's called the pink note.

This is the best thread of the year