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Jag_Calle wrote:This is getting off-topic with all the old-vs-new starwars films (almost a page now...)

Could we veer back on coarse please?

I actually enjoyed the first starship tropers movie. If you ignore how far off from the books it were, it was a good, cool popcorn movie I mean, who DOESN'T have fond memories of the bugs assaulting the fort? Very 'nid vs IG feel to it.

/Calle

Ok go on then, i agree i liked the first move a lot, but brace yourself sheila those who loved the book will be coming for you....

'charm' is about the most subjective quality you can attribute to a movie. Flashman, I'd guess you know the originals from your childhood and grew up watching them? Nothing Lucas could ever have made would have lived up to your expectations.

Those that say that cgi is 'soulless', it's anything but. You can get way more expressive than people in suits ever could. Yes, some directors lean too much on its power and spectacle, but don't blame the tool.
Do you really think the prequels would have been any better if they went back to latex suits?

Another thing I found annoyed me when I watched them in a row from 1 to 6 a while back was the dueling. At least in the prequels there's some actual choreography involved. The duals in the originals remind me of the swordfights I used to have with my brother when we were 5 and 7; standing a few feet apart just smashing two sticks into eachother left-right-left-right.

Teehee, you forget that Lucas betrayed himself when he made the prequels. When he made the original three he was all about "this needs to be real as it can get, nothing artificial and fake, it adds to the magic of the whole product" but now it's all "CGI UP IN THIS MELON FETHER"

"Nobody move, or there will be..... Trouble"...

Those that say that cgi is 'soulless', it's anything but. You can get way more expressive than people in suits ever could. Yes, some directors lean too much on its power and spectacle, but don't blame the tool.
Do you really think the prequels would have been any better if they went back to latex suits?

Yes i do absolutely, i admit its probably down to personal preference but look at it this way. I don't like the prequels as much because of that reason the CGI characters/settings just aren't real enough. Contrast to the Lord of the Rings lots of CGI but the characters and most of the settings were pretty much all "real" and they were three of the best films i've ever seen. (king of the dead and balrog accepted, jackson got the balance bang on in my view, SW didn't)

Plus.. practical effects when done right blow CGI away IMHO. Pour example: the Thing by John Carpenter and that piece of gak remake they shat out this year.

BrookM wrote:Plus.. practical effects when done right blow CGI away IMHO. Pour example: the Thing by John Carpenter and that piece of gak remake they shat out this year.

Aye when done properly it wins hands down that bit where his head falls off his body and grows legs and tries to crawl away is awesome.

I was trying to forget that. they remade that. The original rocks!




Dr Horribles Sing Along blog. Good stuff

'that's not a GOOD sound......'


For yuks : Ice Pirates Awesomely bad movie

Ascalam wrote:I was trying to forget that. :(




Dr Horribles Sing Along blog. Good stuff

'that's not a GOOD sound......'


For yuks : Ice Pirates Awesomely bad movie

Sorry for that image i know its a bit much on a sunday night.

Edited above post. You ninja's me





I like the walking head, a lot

The remake makes me want to hurl, though

"Goodbye Citizen Chairman"
"And tyrannies are worn away in the end by the little kindnesses of small men"
The Trench Run scene in Star Wars
Oh and the Thunderbirds launch sequence.

Ascalam wrote:Edited above post. You ninja's me





I like the walking head, a lot

The remake makes me want to hurl, though

And I quote "You gotta be kidding". Love it.

TiB wrote:

Im2randomghgh wrote:Vader

One of the most awesome villains ever, became

This:

or...

Anakin Skywalker, annoying little podracer and wise-ass

becomes this:

The point that seems to escape most people...Anakin (Vader) wasnt always evil. It was done to explain why Vader had the moment with Luke at the end of ROTJ just before the Death Star exploded. Vaders journey from innocent hopeful child, to total evil, to regret for his life of evil, is an integral part of Star Wars.

TiB wrote:'charm' is about the most subjective quality you can attribute to a movie. Flashman, I'd guess you know the originals from your childhood and grew up watching them? Nothing Lucas could ever have made would have lived up to your expectations.

Those that say that cgi is 'soulless', it's anything but. You can get way more expressive than people in suits ever could. Yes, some directors lean too much on its power and spectacle, but don't blame the tool.
Do you really think the prequels would have been any better if they went back to latex suits?

Didn't think I made reference to CGI (though its overuse is indeed one of my pet hates). The charm I was referring to was the chemistry of the cast, particularly the central trio of the originals. They weren't the finest actors in the world, but helped by the (superior - take a bow Lawrence Kasdan) scripts, they delivered characters you could root for.

The acting in the prequels was, given the quality of the cast involved, shockingly wooden and the dialogue was actually worse than what Lucas wrote for A New Hope.

And childhood has nothing to do with my expectations. Inception, the Star Trek reboot and LoTR are some relatively recent examples of blockbusters with charm.

EDIT - And we have indeed veered off topic. Apologies I myself will make no further posts on this issue, though I respect TiB's right to reply

I think everything has been said. We'll just agree to disagree.

Back to the topic everyone, nothing to see here!

Best 40k piece of art EVER.

And a real inspiration for an aspiring 3D artist.

I cant pick. Between B5, Aliens, Akira, SW, ST, the freeking Doctor, Apollo and Adama. Every movie mentioned thus far in this thread are all on my HDD.

Cant pick wont try.

Epic thread is......Cant do it. Really good thread, makes me want to watch all of these. Now how do i convince my girl to watch B5 from start to finish.

I stopped watching B5 when people started getting brain slugs.

In television, this is, without a doubt in my mind, the finest acting I have ever seen.

Peter Jurasik as Londo is suddenly taken from his usual role to a powerful and malevolent position, his 'NOW!!' is excellently timed.

Then the late Andreas Katsulas as G'Kar speaks... it gives me goosebumps, it's beautiful, it has no equal. That actor, covered in a latex costume, contact lenses and scifi background gives it more gravitas than anything else I've ever watched.




There are a great many moments in Babylon 5 that were epic and amazing, for action... well the vorlons finally stepping into the fight and taking apart the shadow fleet whilst at the same time and interwoven, kosh pays the price for their intervention, that was masterfully done.

Anyone who has not watched it should watch it, suffer the fairly dodgy 1st season and then enjoy how it grows into one of the true masterpieces of television.



Also, this is bloody great and anything with Adama Snr in it rocks the house...


Because dropping your command carrier through the atmosphere over a city certainly makes a very strong point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DeI3ohVbY

And as to the star wars thing, tbh there were a FEW things to like about the prequels, but they were nowhere near the level of the original trilogy.

Things I like about the prequels:

Darth Maul
Obi-Wan
Jango Fett
Qui-Gon
Clones

That's about it though.


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ChocolateGork wrote:

Best 40k piece of art EVER.

And a real inspiration for an aspiring 3D artist.

I most definitely agree. Imperial Fists, let alone let by Lysander, are epic. I'm also eagerly following the BL advent calendar because it has an Imperial Fist.

I love the scene in Aliens, where they've set up these auto guns to guard the corridor, and all you see is the ammo counters on the guns cycle down to zero.

First thing that came to mind.

Anyone complaining about poor writing and wooden acting in the prequels for Star Wars better add TNG and B5 to those posts.

The new Trek was ridiculous. They are going to give the newest and best ship in the fleet to a guy right out of the Academy? Are you kidding me?

KGatch113 wrote:

Anyone complaining about poor writing and wooden acting in the prequels for Star Wars better add TNG and B5 to those posts.

The new Trek was ridiculous. They are going to give the newest and best ship in the fleet to a guy right out of the Academy? Are you kidding me?

They didn't. They gave it to the captain (forget name) and then Spock, and then when they ran out of options they gave to Kirk.

Oldie but goodie

im2randomghgh wrote:

KGatch113 wrote:

Anyone complaining about poor writing and wooden acting in the prequels for Star Wars better add TNG and B5 to those posts.

The new Trek was ridiculous. They are going to give the newest and best ship in the fleet to a guy right out of the Academy? Are you kidding me?

They didn't. They gave it to the captain (forget name) and then Spock, and then when they ran out of options they gave to Kirk.

I'm guessing you didn't stay to watch the last 3 minutes of the film.

warpcrafter wrote:The moment in Battlestar Galactica where the final six Cylons started hearing the song "All Along the Watchtower" at the same time. It was so ominous.

They were the final five It's in the frakking ship! That moment,and Kara also remembering the song, is pure gold.

Plus:






Firefly is an endless resource for great quotes.

And finally this. It's not the best Terminator movie ever, it's not the best CGI ever, but it's still better than the third movie, to me. I was almost screaming cheering in the theater:

Redbeard wrote:I love the scene in Aliens, where they've set up these auto guns to guard the corridor, and all you see is the ammo counters on the guns cycle down to zero.

First thing that came to mind.

That's only in the special edition but it is brilliant.
Before they put that scene in you always wondered what happened to 40 families worth of aliens.

KGatch113 wrote:
Oh! The death of the Enterprise -D. Ugliest ship ever designed for the Trekverse.

Er...
Have you had a blow to the head?
The D is my favourite (more specifically the X variant of the D from "All good things".

OK.

My list.
Babylon 5 is amazing, no studio will ever again have the balls to green light 5 series of a show in advance to allow an overarching story line like that to happen again.
The 4th and 5th seasons being condensed into one and a new 5th having to be made up when they had a wobble was a bit sad but it still stands out even 15 years later as being ace.

Plus no stupid space craft flying as if they were in an atmosphere here.

My favourite line from B5 is Susan Ivanova:
"I am death incarnate and the last living thing you are ever going to see"

Timothy Zahn's 5 Thrawn based Star Wars expanded universe novels.

Joshua "Lagrange" Calvert earning his nick name in Peter F Hamilton's "Night's Dawn" trilogy.

If you haven't read Hamilton, get "Fallen Dragon" then love it.
Once you have loved it get the Night's Dawn, Pandora's Star and the Void books.
He is the greatest living Sci-Fi writer.

By Far

KGatch113 wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

KGatch113 wrote:

Anyone complaining about poor writing and wooden acting in the prequels for Star Wars better add TNG and B5 to those posts.

The new Trek was ridiculous. They are going to give the newest and best ship in the fleet to a guy right out of the Academy? Are you kidding me?

They didn't. They gave it to the captain (forget name) and then Spock, and then when they ran out of options they gave to Kirk.

I'm guessing you didn't stay to watch the last 3 minutes of the film.

Battlefield commisions, especially those that you know.. 'save the whole shebang' you stand for, tend to stick.

pretre wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Another awesome moment was when Qui-Gon fought Darth Maul.

What movie was that in?

The movie of which we do not speak. My favorite has to be the end of The Outcast Dead. Mind=blown.

I'd also like the add Blade Runner to my short list. Not just because of Rudger Hauer giving that famous speech but also because of the cyberpunk setting. That presentation, the surroundings, the flashing bill boards, the mobs of people going about their business.. Just great!