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Sasori wrote:

Swara wrote:Well, I've slept since then! /)^3^(\

I can't make out that, emoticon, lol.


I've really been enjoying my Necrons in 5th, and if these leaked rules are even somewhat true, I may enjoy them even more in 6th!

Yes, I should enjoy them more and spend all my monies yet again!

Oh and..

I'm just curious as to how these changes will affect list building.

As units in transports are no longer able to hold objectives I think the meta will shift to more durable troops as opposed to MSU warriors in Ghost arks.

The buff to rapid fire also helps a lot in the troops sections as Gauss now becomes a very viable option again. Foot troops are also faster.

How are these changes going to affect list choices like annihilation barges, scarabs, and Catacomb command barges? Or other stuff considered a staple in 5th? Or will the configuration of units change? Is the 20 man warrior blob viable now or other unit configurations?

I'm curious... I seem to remember reading in the 6th Ed. rules that Skimmers would not block LOS anymore. Or perhaps I just invented this and am now crazy. Anyway, if that is the case, and since units in transports cannot hold objectives any longer, could the Necrons not revive the Tau 'fish of fury' (I think that's what it was called?)

The buffs to rapid fire certainly seems conducive to the tactic, and the Ghost Ark benefit of the D3 model repair, combined with the long and thin shape of the Ghost Ark make it seem like this would be a very powerful way to sit on objectives.

Again, assuming the LOS actually works.



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Yes, anything with a base (including skimmers since they are on flying bases) is not counted for LOS and does not automatically grant a cover save. Fish-of-Fury will be viable again, albeit with an 8" move+disembark instead of 12" (since you can only get out of a vehicle, closed or open, if it moves combat speed or less).

*note* Intervening units can give cover saves to other units receiving fire if the owning player uses the special rule "Look Out, Sergeant!" on them. They take a critical hit for every passed 5+ cover save. So using a meat wall makes sense now, if they were giving you cover then those models are susceptible to dying as well!

tetrisphreak wrote:Yes, anything with a base (including skimmers since they are on flying bases) is not counted for LOS and does not automatically grant a cover save. Fish-of-Fury will be viable again, albeit with an 8" move+disembark instead of 12" (since you can only get out of a vehicle, closed or open, if it moves combat speed or less).

*note* Intervening units can give cover saves to other units receiving fire if the owning player uses the special rule "Look Out, Sergeant!" on them. They take a critical hit for every passed 5+ cover save. So using a meat wall makes sense now, if they were giving you cover then those models are susceptible to dying as well!

My point is that the Ghost Ark's repair protocols, as well as it's slender design seems to mesh beautifully with this tactic. Coupled with the 18" rapid fire and the fact that the Ghost Ark is AV 13 on its side, I think this may be a fantastic tactic for parking on objectives. I can't think of any other Necron units that I would use as meat shields, just because the range is so short and they fold so fast in CC.

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azazel the cat wrote:My point is that the Ghost Ark's repair protocols, as well as it's slender design seems to mesh beautifully with this tactic. Coupled with the 18" rapid fire and the fact that the Ghost Ark is AV 13 on its side, I think this may be a fantastic tactic for parking on objectives. I can't think of any other Necron units that I would use as meat shields, just because the range is so short and they fold so fast in CC.

Wow this is a really good idea. Might level the playing field between Immortals and warriors as I seem to see more people favoring Immortals over Warriors now. Where does this leave other unit configurations of warriors? I can still see the 5 Warrior squad seeing game play but with the need to hold objective all game and not just at the end of play I think it will be less useful, but not completely useless.

I see the 10 warrior "Pirate ship of Furry" being quite common and effective as azazel mentioned.

And then there is the 20 warrior blob, supported by an Overlord or Lord and possibly a cryptek of some flavor. With the need for durable troops I really see this option getting better. Just the changes to Rapid Fire make this unit much better. I also think there is a stratagem that gives one unit stubborn. 20 stubborn warriors with a scythe and MSS support would be a pain to shift off an objective. Even more so if you have a couple Arks for your "Fish of Fury" warriors floating around reanimating the blob.

I might have to make warriors and not immortals my go to troop choice. I'd use a couple "Arks of Fury" and a large blob to advance midfield. I'd take 2nd turn to get the stubborn stratagem then watch their alpha strike fizzle thanks to my solar pulse.

alspal8me wrote:I see the 10 warrior "Pirate ship of Furry" being quite common and effective as azazel mentioned.

Erm... you mean "Fury", right? Because, uh, it's a very different thing.

I think the 20-Warrior blob works best with the Pirate Ship tactic: you put 10 Warriors inside the boat, and keep ten behind the boat-wall, so that the unit can hold an objective as well as dish out a huge amount of firepower. Nobody is going to charge into 20 rapid-fire Gauss shots just to assault the Ark, because even after the Ark is gone the assaulting unit will get shot again.


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azazel the cat wrote:

alspal8me wrote:I see the 10 warrior "Pirate ship of Furry" being quite common and effective as azazel mentioned.

Erm... you mean "Fury", right? Because, uh, it's a very different thing.

I think the 20-Warrior blob works best with the Pirate Ship tactic: you put 10 Warriors inside the boat, and keep ten behind the boat-wall, so that the unit can hold an objective as well as dish out a huge amount of firepower. Nobody is going to charge into 20 rapid-fire Gauss shots just to assault the Ark, because even after the Ark is gone the assaulting unit will get shot again.


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Except you can't do that with a 20 man blob - the entire unit must be able to embark or nobody can.

With the scoring rules being that you must be disembarked to score objectives, I can see Warriors gaining favor over immortals with their ability to repair with RP rolls as well as ghost arks replenishing the squads that camp on objectives.

tetrisphreak wrote:Except you can't do that with a 20 man blob - the entire unit must be able to embark or nobody can.

Since when? Did I miss something?

Since ever. 3rd ed onwards