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Monster Rain wrote:I guarantee there are symbols that both of you would probably be annoyed by if they were defaced.

Although, with Cannerus, I'm not exactly sure what you could do to deface it. Perhaps dip it in holy water?

Frazzled wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I guarantee there are symbols that both of you would probably be annoyed by if they were defaced.

Anyone messing with Winnie the Pooh is going down, and hard!

And that's without any Rule 34.

I don't think Pooh would get that fat, simply because of the calories he burns adventuring through the Hundred Acre Wood, and the extreme lengths to which he must go to secure said honey.

Monster Rain wrote:I don't think Pooh would get that fat, simply because of the calories he burns adventuring through the Hundred Acre Wood, and the extreme lengths to which he must go to secure said honey.

Exactly.

Monster Rain wrote:I don't think Pooh would get that fat, simply because of the calories he burns adventuring through the Hundred Acre Wood, and the extreme lengths to which he must go to secure said honey.

I don't know man, honey has about 100 Kcal per ounce, and that pot is pretty damn big.

dogma wrote: and that pot is pretty damn big.

There is hardly any honey in the pot though, which is why he is always so dour.

Ahtman wrote:

dogma wrote: and that pot is pretty damn big.

There is hardly any honey ion the pot though, which is why he is always so dour.

Exactly. Now someone get me a smitin' stick for Dogma for his heretical views about the greatness of Winnie.

Ahtman wrote:
There is hardly any honey on the pot though, which is why he is always so dour.

Weed does increase the metabolism.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

dogma wrote:I've never understood the reverence for the flag, at least not on an emotional level. But then nationalism is also vexing to me.

I see where you're coming from here, it is (at face value) only an identification marker for a country. It becomes more than that to people who see themselves as a sort of extension of their country.

More and more through the years I've come to see the flag as a symbol for the government (which I often disagree with) and not a symbol of the people per say or the ideals under which we live.

As such I believe that flag burning is a valid form of protest against the government

Your mileage may vary

Mr. Burning wrote:OWS is acting a lot like Miley Cyrus.

They jabber on about nothing in particular and when noone is looking at them any more decide to get a bit edgier for a bit of attention.

Miley Cyrus must have multiple accounts on Dakka...

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

dogma wrote:I've never understood the reverence for the flag, at least not on an emotional level. But then nationalism is also vexing to me.

I see where you're coming from here, it is (at face value) only an identification marker for a country. It becomes more than that to people who see themselves as a sort of extension of their country.

More and more through the years I've come to see the flag as a symbol for the government (which I often disagree with) and not a symbol of the people per say or the ideals under which we live.

As such I believe that flag burning is a valid form of protest against the government

Your mileage may vary

It may well be a valid form of protest, and no one here I noticed said otherwise. Breaking into a Govt building, looting and vanadlizing it causing over a million bucks in damages, stealing their flag and buring it, hopefully crosses the line from 'valid' in your view. It sure as hell does in my mind.

Buy your own flag, support local business, make sure it is made in the USA to support local jobs, then burn your own property.

That's the american way.

CptJake wrote:Breaking into a Govt building, looting and vanadlizing it causing over a million bucks in damages, stealing their flag and buring it, hopefully crosses the line from 'valid' in your view. It sure as hell does in my mind.

Depends on what you're protesting.

<image redacted; if you don't have anything more to contribute to a conversation than a "witty" image, please refrain from posting in the conversation --Janthkin>

Frazzled wrote:
On a personal level, if someone threw condoms at GC there would be a high chance they would be in an ambulance very quickly.

Would it be the throwing, or the condoms you objected to?

There are plenty of places just about anyone can get free condoms (maybe not in Texas), and I would think condoms are preferable to not-condoms where sex is concerned.

dogma wrote:

CptJake wrote:Breaking into a Govt building, looting and vanadlizing it causing over a million bucks in damages, stealing their flag and buring it, hopefully crosses the line from 'valid' in your view. It sure as hell does in my mind.

Depends on what you're protesting.

I think he is referring to the Wisconsin incident in which some of the conservatives said there was over a million dollars in damages, but in the end it was actually no where that amount. I don't think even they called the protestors looters though, so there is now that angle.

I imagine the Native population felt fairly justified, or valid, in taking over the BIA building and Alcatraz.

Ahtman wrote:I imagine the Native population felt fairly justified, or valid, in taking over the BIA building and Alcatraz.

People who rob banks, break into homes, kill innocent civilians, and rape their family members likely also feel justified in their actions.

We shouldn't consider whether the people performing the action feel justified in their actions, we should consider whether their actions are justified.

biccat wrote:
People who rob banks, break into homes, kill innocent civilians, and rape their family members likely also feel justified in their actions.

You are conspicuously silent regarding the rape of people that the rapist is not related to.

biccat wrote:
We shouldn't consider whether the people performing the action feel justified in their actions, we should consider whether their actions are justified.

They aren't entirely separate questions.

biccat wrote:

Ahtman wrote:I imagine the Native population felt fairly justified, or valid, in taking over the BIA building and Alcatraz.

People who rob banks, break into homes, kill innocent civilians, and rape their family members likely also feel justified in their actions.

We shouldn't consider whether the people performing the action feel justified in their actions, we should consider whether their actions are justified.

Context is important, as always, is important. I was giving two examples of instances where people would probably see a break in of a government buildings in protest as valid. CaptJake couldn't think of a time where it would be valid, so I supplied two examples. Of course not everyone is going to think every protest is valid, and I don't think the argument was made that there ever would be such an event that makes every person in any country that homogenous.

I do think it is interesting that you compare Native Americans protesting their culture and lives being destroyed with that of murderers, rapists, and robbers.

Joey wrote:For the benefit of Americans, you are the only ones who're obsessed with burning your flag. We in Britain have the freedom to burn our flag if we wanted to...but then, why would you?
The only people who burn the British flag are people who hate Britain/British things, like those mental Muslims you get sometimes. But your run of the mill protestor would never burn the Union Flag.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I find flag burning to be a personal insult, and don't approve of it for any purpose.

Burning flags can't be illegal outright, and it's the correct way to dispose of them in the US, perhaps some people should check that out? There are good and bad reasons to burn a flag. The boy and girl scouts are responsible for more flag burnings than any other group if I recall correctly.

Almost no one burns the flag here, but occasionally a few do it to get a rise out of the few that don't realize they are just having their strings pulled.

If it couldn't be used as a wedge issue during elections it would probably get no play at all.

Ahtman wrote:

dogma wrote:

CptJake wrote:Breaking into a Govt building, looting and vanadlizing it causing over a million bucks in damages, stealing their flag and buring it, hopefully crosses the line from 'valid' in your view. It sure as hell does in my mind.

Depends on what you're protesting.

I think he is referring to the Wisconsin incident in which some of the conservatives said there was over a million dollars in damages, but in the end it was actually no where that amount. I don't think even they called the protestors looters though, so there is now that angle.

I imagine the Native population felt fairly justified, or valid, in taking over the BIA building and Alcatraz.

Mayor of Oakland says:

Occupy protesters have caused an estimated $2 million in vandalism since October. She said the cost to the city related to the Occupy Oakland protests is pegged at about $5 million.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/01/29/oakland-mayor-assesses-damage-from-occupy-protests/

Damage from this particular incident hasn't been assessed yet.

EDIT: I had misread an article and associated a number with this incident before my quoted post.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Joey wrote:For the benefit of Americans, you are the only ones who're obsessed with burning your flag. We in Britain have the freedom to burn our flag if we wanted to...but then, why would you?
The only people who burn the British flag are people who hate Britain/British things, like those mental Muslims you get sometimes. But your run of the mill protestor would never burn the Union Flag.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I find flag burning to be a personal insult, and don't approve of it for any purpose.

Burning flags can't be illegal outright, and it's the correct way to dispose of them in the US, perhaps some people should check that out? There are good and bad reasons to burn a flag. The boy and girl scouts are responsible for more flag burnings than any other group if I recall correctly.

We used to have a mass flag burning every year, media would show up, veterans would show up. Huge flames from all the synthetic materials in the flags.

Of course I was with the fire department at the time, and we worked with the VFW to help them with their annual flag retirement ceremony.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
On a personal level, if someone threw condoms at GC there would be a high chance they would be in an ambulance very quickly.

Would it be the throwing, or the condoms you objected to?

There are plenty of places just about anyone can get free condoms (maybe not in Texas), and I would think condoms are preferable to not-condoms where sex is concerned.

Both, but throwing anything is the big pissoff. She's a bit young for the rest and boys are still "icky."

Throwing a condom at a child is wrong for many reasons, yes...

Exactly.

Melissia wrote:Throwing a condom at a child is wrong for many reasons, yes...

I just want them to be safe.

Frazzled wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I guarantee there are symbols that both of you would probably be annoyed by if they were defaced.

Anyone messing with Winnie the Pooh is going down, and hard!

If you feel sufficiently alienated by your own country that you want to symbolically show how separate you've become, burning a flag is a perfectly valid expression of that symbolism.

If you legally own that flag and follow fire codes, I don't care.

I don't like occupy, but I do think that a person can burn a flag symbolically without "hating America". It's complicated though.

dogma wrote:

biccat wrote:People who rob banks, break into homes, kill innocent civilians, and rape their family members likely also feel justified in their actions.

You are conspicuously silent regarding the rape of people that the rapist is not related to.

I was trying to vary the examples. "kill and rape innocent civilians" implies both, "kill or rape innocent civilians" implies neither, "kill innocents or rape innocents" sounds redundant.

I also omitted people who burglarize homes, or break into banks.

Ahtman wrote:I do think it is interesting that you compare Native Americans protesting their culture and lives being destroyed with that of murderers, rapists, and robbers.

Of course you do, because you agree with the validity of the Native Americans protesting their culture.

A bank robber might be offended that I compared him with murderers.